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Post by mikey34 on Sept 22, 2014 18:02:54 GMT -6
Hey guys, wanted to update you with some details...
I got the new ECU in, I also did some research on the 15th PIN on the main harness of it too(White with Yellow stripe). It goes to the fuel pump to complete the circuit and give the pump a Negative Signal. When I figured this out, I rewired the pump using the w/y wire as ground, and noticed this is how the Ruckus controls it's fuel consumption, AND its ability to pull back fuel past 40mph, governing the bike :/
I'm pleased to say that it now runs great! Went ahead and replaced all the lines and filter, and changed the engine oil, per the owners request.
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Post by mikey34 on Sept 20, 2014 8:15:55 GMT -6
Thanks Guitarman,
The owner ordered a new ECU($311.00), Since I am afraid the ecu fried from me connecting the remote wire of the fuel pump, to the 12volt power wire when I replaced with a micro fuel pump from O'Reillys Auto Parts (model 12S). I am gonna run a new power wire from the fuse box, to the pump. Should take care of that hopefully...
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Post by mikey34 on Sept 7, 2014 7:48:10 GMT -6
Hey guys, I have a 2009 Ruckus 50, that I believe has burnt out it's computer. I recently upgraded the fuel pump to a 12volt micro fuel pump. When I wired in the pump, I used the hot wire from the old pump, and grounded to frame. Along with the hot wire, the Ruckus has a white/red striped wire, that I believe is a remote wire, because it would not keep the fuel pump on unless this wire had voltage going to it. I wired the Hot 12volt Red/Black striped wire with the red/white when I put the pump in, and it ran great for over 20miles... However, I dont think the red/white wire was supposed to have a full 12volts going to it, and now I have a burning plastic smell coming from the ECU.
Does ANYONE, have a 2009 Ruckus wiring diagram, I am in desperate need for one, and havnt been able to find one... Thanks in Advance!!!
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Post by mikey34 on Sept 5, 2014 15:26:19 GMT -6
Victory short lived guys, I went to start the bike today, and it started, then immediately shut off, all lights, gauges everything...
I tested voltage at the battery and had 12.3. I'm afraid I have a burnt plastic smell coming from the ECU... WHY DID THEY PUT AN ECU, In a 50cc...?
If any body has a good wiring diagram to an 09 Ruckus/ Metro, I NEED it... THANKS Guys!
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Post by mikey34 on Sept 5, 2014 15:19:22 GMT -6
Well guys, short lived success...
I tried to start the Ruckus today and it started to crank, fuel pump came on, and then, EVERYTHING cut off... I tested for voltage at the battery, 12.34volt, all fuses are good... I smell Hot or melting plastic I believe coming from the ECU... WHY did they put an ECU, on a 50cc.....
Can any one find a wiring diagram for the 09 ruckus/metro???
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Post by mikey34 on Sept 5, 2014 7:27:55 GMT -6
Thanks Cyborg, ya I could have used a rider lawn mower pump, but the 12S pump from O'Reillys Auto has been tested on a couple different setups. All the way up to 250cc, at first I was afraid of the pump flooding the carb, so I used the filter that came with the pump, and used an inline right before the carb to get the hose diameter back down so it would be a tight fit on the carb. I love that it is about 1.5 the size of the original, hard to fit into stock hole, but you can hear the pump kick on this way YOU KNOW, your getting Fuel!!!!
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Post by mikey34 on Sept 4, 2014 19:08:07 GMT -6
BTW, if anybody else does this with your bike, be sure to observe your wiring diagram, and make sure you make the right connection to a 12 volt source, on the "RUCKUS" in this case, the ECU on the bike will NOT START if the lead from the computer(REMOTE WIRE) to the fuel pump is NOT CONNECTED TO A 12volt signal!!!! Crimp it to the 12volt hot wire, so that when the IGNITION is turned on, the ECU "SEE's" the Fuel Pump!!!!
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Post by mikey34 on Sept 4, 2014 19:03:22 GMT -6
Sorry about the UN Clear description guys. The problem was not getting ENOUGH fuel to the carb.
When I would turn the IGNITION to ON, the Fuel Pump would come on, but made this LOUD "TICKING". I called Honda to see how much the OEM replacement would be, and they quoted 95-110 dollars. After doing some research I found that a couple people had replaced theirs with a "Micro-Fuel Pump/12S" from ANY of the Auto Parts Stores. It was only 45 dollars. With some SMALL fabrication, couple of SMALL holes in the SUB FRAME and tapped with 10mm bolts, also replaced all the rubber hose and the NEW Fuel Pump came with a brass fuel filter. I went ahead and added ANOTHER Regular plastic and brass fuel filter too. Starts on the first push EVERYTIME!!!
MORAL OF THE STORY ON "THIS" REPAIR: TICKING means bad fuel Pump!!!
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Post by mikey34 on Sept 4, 2014 9:47:38 GMT -6
Hey guys, I have Ruckus with an electronic. Fuel pump.
It has a loud ticking coming from it, and it the bike will die for no. Apparent. Reason
After it sits for about 2 mins it will finally crank after cranking for a good 2 mins straight, Already cleaned the carb, replaced fuel filter, no change. It has a one way inline valve also, may take it out...
This is wierd guys, it does it on the first start of the day too...
Any thoughts are appriciated!!! Thanks in advance!!!
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Post by mikey34 on Aug 22, 2014 21:19:54 GMT -6
I will try it, the other day when I took it off, I know it didn't show any DC...voltage This time I will be sure to check AC voltage and see if it produces anything. Think I have another R/R off of a 50cc that's 4PIN too. This think is a RAT's nest on wiring man. Looks like four or five different owner add-on's, plus with how MUCH dirt was in the Stator Flywheel, I think they drove it into a bog, and left it there!!!
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Post by mikey34 on Aug 22, 2014 16:01:38 GMT -6
Shoot Rich, My stator MAY be good after all, I am getting 533ohm on the Red wire, and 155 on the Blue... I guess the next thing in line would be CDI or R/R right?
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Post by mikey34 on Aug 22, 2014 10:22:59 GMT -6
You most certainly DID read my post right Rich! Thank you so much sir! I was checking for a 12VOLT DC, signal! I didn't even think about switching to AC!(DOH!). I got a slight .1V reading on DC setting, from the bullet connectors(RED/BLK,&BLUE/WHITE. But Absolutely nothing on the W,Y,and G leads. After getting the flywheel off, the stator and flywheel were **COVERED!** in DIRT! I washed the flywheel with gas, and blew off the stator with AirComp, Put it all back together, and still no SPARK/(READINGS WHILE ON DC..) I was starting to think they're may be a switch, similar to the scooters, on the brake lever. BUT nothing except the BRAKE LIGHT switch goes to the brakes.
I will check the stator now and get back to you on readings, can't get it back on as it is at the owners house. I am REALLY considering just taking it ALL off and start from scratch to ensure correct wiring :/
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Post by mikey34 on Aug 22, 2014 9:04:16 GMT -6
Rich, I checked all the wires WYG, and two coil wires for a 12volt signal WHILE cranking and didn't get anything! Is there a way to check the continuity with the stator OFF of the engine? I have it removed ATM.
This is ALL from no Spark of course, so I tried a DIFFERENT(NOT NEW) CDI box from a 50cc with no change, but this thing has had so many things added and subtracted, I have to Follow Every Wire :/
I didn't see any burnt spots on ANY Connector, and have found the CDI/Voltage R/R and all SEEMED to be in the right connector.
Wouldn't I have got SOMETHING out of the COIL LEADS while cranking??
THANKS RICH!
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Post by mikey34 on Aug 22, 2014 7:08:20 GMT -6
Thanks for all the tips and points guys!
The clamp solved the issue, as far as I can tell. Had to get the Idle adjusted, but after the choke disengaged and she settled down, she stayed running for a good 10-15 mins just fine! She was happy, I was Happy, it all worked out! She said she would call if anything changed and SAYS, she would like to bring it by for the fluids change on it. I am pretty sure it still has the CRAP oil they put in it to ship it over here, and told her THAT would cause more problems than anything! Hopefully I will hear from her today to get it all changed!
Thanks Again Guys!!!!
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Post by mikey34 on Aug 22, 2014 6:55:52 GMT -6
In the SECOND PICTURE, you can see the YELLOW/WHITE/GREEN{B/W,R/B} Leads coming from the stator. I am also wondering if ANY of you know, what the little white box(Capacitor maybe??) with the GREY and BLACK wires coming off of it. Thanks guys, I have even thought about just pulling all of the mess of wires OFF and starting OVER! I think MAY be the best option! THANKS GUYS!
P.S. The Stator is a 6 POLE STATOR.
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