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Post by oldchopperguy on Oct 27, 2010 1:26:41 GMT -6
Hmmm...
ALL of us must have griped about the problems with carb mounting... The air-filter gets in the way, the frames just don't allow much creativity... etc. Has anyone ever considered making a REMOTE FLOAT BOWL?
If that could be done, the carb could then be mounted "down-draft" style, or in most any position.
For that matter, has anyone tried using a diaphragm "pumper" carb as used on 2-stroke go karts, chainsaws, etc. as well as Harley-Davidson and some other 4-strokes. This would also allow mounting the carb any way that's convenient.
Just wondering, as this phenomenon seems to be a real issue, even when simply improving the filter on bone-stock engines.
Any trick that would make carb-mounting and modification easier would be welcome for sure!
Leo in Texas
PS: Hey Alleyoop... Just noticed you're in Westmont! While I've been in Texas since dirt was invented... I was born in Hinsdale, grew up in LaGrange Park, worked for years in Oak Brook and Downers Grove... So, I'm mighty familiar with your stomping grounds! You can surely use those trikes in the winter!
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Post by oldchopperguy on Oct 24, 2010 1:31:42 GMT -6
Rich,
Sounds like you ran into "Barney Fife"... LOL! At least he was more helpful than painful. As for no front fender, I rode fenderless choppers for about 40 years. Never did have a problem with rocks in the pie-hole, but there WAS this one skunk... Whew! Or should I say "PEW!"?
Lookin' pretty speedy! If she goes like she looks, you're gonna have fun!
Ride safe,
Leo in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 30, 2010 0:31:17 GMT -6
Rich,
This thing jus' gets gooder and gooder... LOL!
I've been cogitatin' on the pix, and REALLY like the whole skeletonized approach. Since MOST of the external cosmetics are now history anyway, how about chopping off everything south of the shock mounts, including the fuel tank... THEN, adding a barrel-style fuel tank right behind the new seat (easy project from a small aluminum beer keg, or a round tank from vintage stationary engine)?
For rear lighting, bobber-style tail and stop lights (Model A Ford lights are GREAT) and little "bullet" lights for turn signals. Oh yes, and the obligatory vertical license plate...
I know... I'm full of ideas for other guys rides... LOL! Just ignore anything you don't like... But this one is fast becoming a scooter version of a classic bobber! My kind of bike, whether a harley, Brit twin... Or a scooter!
Just some ideas to further reduce the parts count and increase the bad-rat factor...
Love it!
Leo in Texas
PS: Makes me wish I had the time and bucks to buld a "hooligan scoot" of my own! Yours may make the pinup boards in the nastiest scooter bars of Europe! Now THAT'S the real deal!
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 25, 2010 0:47:03 GMT -6
Ah... Let me take a really wild guess: Could it be the one WITHOUT a V-twin engine?
Just goes to show that all you need is two wheels, not two cylinders...
Love it!
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 25, 2010 0:43:57 GMT -6
Whew!
That may be the best-looking factory scooter yet! You'll turn heads on that one!
Ride safe!
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 25, 2010 0:29:06 GMT -6
SWEET SCOOT!
Old school all the way... right down to the paint, bars, mirrors and tan seat. Only cosmetic mods I'd make might be whitewalls, red wheels and maybe a vintage-style exhaust.
Of course, anything internal that will provide a little more giddyup is always fun too!
This bike just exudes "fifties" Vespa/Lambretta. Gotta love it! Even has a "hood ornament" on the front fender! Guess I'd just HAVE to get an LED light in that thing somehow... or replace with a genuine fifties illuminated ornament like the old Pontiac Indian Chief, OR one of the vintage lighted baubles from J.C. Whitney or Honest Charley from the fifties...
Somehow, a Mack "Bulldog" with lighted eyes, or a bull, naked lady, swan, etc. that lights up just fits this marvelous tribute to the past... Just the right ornament might be something fun to dig for at any car swap meet!
Ride safe,
Leo in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 7, 2010 1:09:41 GMT -6
Rich,
VERY cool! You got a seat that fits the mood of the scoot, too! I think a lot of guys with stripped scoots will want to know about that seat! Now, a vintage-style large round gas tank would look slick mounted low, Cushman-Highlander-style, where the passenger seat area used to be! A modded aluminum mini beer keg could be cool...
I've wondered about those riser intake manifolds. Looks like it's working great on yours! Sure is looking like a serious hot-rod! When you want to add the chrome fan shroud, check eBay. I got one recently for $16 plus a few bucks shipping. Same seller sometimes lists them "buy it now" for $39 to $89... LOL! They CAN be had CHEEP!
Item number: 170526519081 Gy6 Scooter Moped 50cc Engine Chrome Fan Cover Parts
Please do keep us informed with pix of the build, AND performance updates. Yours is getting so chopped that it's hard to tell how much the engine mods affect performance as opposed to the lightening of the scoot!
Like all the other posters, I LIKE IT!
Ride safe!
Leo in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 6, 2010 12:05:12 GMT -6
Tonya,
I've been riding for more than fifty years, but I can't add much to the good advice you already have here. One thing I have noticed with these modern scooters is that while they are similar in weight to a small/mid-sized motorcycle, the weight is centered MUCH lower.
This makes them just a little "twitchy" and that's great for snappy handling at low speed. It also increases the phenomenon you experience when taking off from a stop. Big motorcycles have heavy engines up high, the higher the center of gravity, the easier it is to balance. (Prove this by balancing a baseball bat in the palm of your hand.) With the small end in your palm, and the heavy end up high, it's easy. With the big, heavy end in your palm, not as easy.
Even so, scooters are STILL easier to ride and balance than bicycles... LOL!
If you accelerate a little faster, you may find it much more stable and easier to not be awkward on starts. My scooter manual even recommends that... "When start from stop, open throttle and do not be gentle, for easy ride..." You GOTTA love the Chinese translations.
Based on a half-century of enjoying two-wheel transportation, I can ASSURE you that you'll be glad you got the 250. It takes you past the surface-streets-only realm, and allows you to hit the freeway for some serious travel. It just takes a little time to get used to it.
Having ridden just about everything from mini-bikes to stretched-out choppers, I will say I've found scooters to be just slightly more challenging to ride than big motorcycles, BUT only SLIGHTLY. Basically, they are slightly snappier at low speed, but a lot easier to pick up if you drop one! LOL! Picking up a Harley will give you arms like Popeye... and get expensive!
You're going to love riding that scoot (except maybe during Milwaukee winters...) just be careful, and you'll have a ball!
Ride safe,
Leo in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 30, 2010 22:46:58 GMT -6
You guys have a B&M store in Texas? Hell, I just eat some Bran. You need to try a few jalapenos and refried-beans in with the bran... Works like turbo-charged roto-rooter!Sorry, couldn't resist! Yeah, "MOXIE SCOOTERS" is just down the road from me. I think they must have a website. I've bought some parts there, and they don't ever give you a hard time about riding a Chinese scoot. VERY nice folks. (Same for the local Honda dealer... NICE folks too!). Moxie sort of specializes in Taiwan and Korean scoots, and have some VERY nice ones (big selection!) for MUCH less than the Japanese models, and with good service, but they're still much more expensive than the Chinese versions. If I ever get to where I can "upgrade" I'll probably buy one from them... Something fuel-injected and more contemporary, but... in the mean time, my Chinese scoot is just fine. In fact, it's pretty doggone good! Stay regular...Leo
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 27, 2010 2:12:03 GMT -6
Rich,
Yup... It's been a LONG time since kids rode Cushman, Vespa, Lambretta, etc. to the Dairy Queen! Too bad, too! So many folks today, when thinking of a motor-scooter, only envision Sal Mineo's Doodlebug from "Rebel Without a Cause" reruns. I think that was a Doodlebug... there were several models like that in the fifties, especially in California.
I was excited to see a re-birth of scooters a few years back. While I rode Harley choppers all my youth, I always enjoyed scooters. First modern ones I was exposed to was the Bajaj Vespa copies from India. I really wanted one, but they were still too expensive for my retirement budget.
Then along comes the generic Chinese 150... BINGO! Had to have one no matter how much trouble they were... Heck, they're no more trouble than the old fifties Harleys... LOL!
I've been a pretty good "ambassador" for scooters around here. There's an excellent B&M store nearby, and, for those who just can't spend the store-bought price, I help 'em with Internet purchase info, and PDI, etc. And, of course, introduce them to this site, as well as the "others". I just make sure they know what to expect, and are mechanical enough to work on them, as they need to know that there's a reason Internet prices are cheaper, and involve zero help after the sale.
Since gas didn't go to the $6+ level drivers were scared of, scooter popularity has dropped somewhat around here, but the old f*rts like me who use them for daily drivers still ride plenty.
The most fun part is the reaction of the wives and gal friends when they learn their guy's chopper cost maybe 50 or 75 times more than a scooter. Whew, talk about couch-sleeping time... After checking them out, even some of the crotch-rocket jockeys decide to get a scooter for daily driving to save their 400 hp organ-donors for Saturday night mahem...
Last season I traded rides with an 18 year old kid on a built Japanese missile that would have made the Terminator proud. GOOD LORD was that thing FAST!!! Scary-hell-fire and damnation, warp-nine FAST... But, my old back got tired quick, from my butt in the air, and the handlebars down near the front axle... LOL! He loved my scoot, but thought is was "a little slow". Oh, yeah... When I told him it only had 9 hp, then he thought it was pretty fast, considering...
He was a hoot! When he caught up with me, riding his, he yelled "yer not gettin' it going right... Goose it REAL GOOD an' then hit the nitrous button!" Ah, the sweet insanity of youth... Oh well, they don't call them "crotch-rockets" for nothing! Hey, I DID manage an accidental "stoppie" trying to keep from running a redlight at mach 3... LOL! Must still be a little kid lurking in me somewhere...
I asked him how many ponies his ride had... He said about 250 or 300 unless you hit the nitrous... then about 450. Hmmm... Can you say "E-ticket ride"?
I think the future popularity of scooters will depend a lot on the price of gas, and the unemployment situation. As we sink into 3rd-world status, so will our transportation.
Such is life!
Ride safe!
Leo in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 25, 2010 0:13:47 GMT -6
I'll join the crowd...
I get people all the time asking "what is it?" "Is it a motorcycle?" "Is it a scooter?" etc.
Out of dozens of inquiries, only one was negative... FUNNY too... A fifty-ish body-builder type, with a thirty-ish bikini-model type wife pulled in to the local gas station while I was gassing up. They were riding a $50,000+ full-custom chopper, complete with blower and injection under several hundred pounds of chrome and metal-flake paint....
He asked why a guy my age would ride a little scooter? I explained because it was all I could afford, and at my age, I was happy to quit shifting gears. HMMM.... His wife asked what it cost. BINGO! She turned on the guy and railed something like: "You could have one of these for the cost of a month's insurance on the chopper?...!!!"
I could still hear her chewing him out over the straight pipes as they burned out of the gas station... HeHeHe...!
I'll bet I sold a dozen or more of these 150's for ATV Discounter before they folded!
Most folks love 'em. Those that don't can ride whatever they like, or can afford... LOL!
Leo in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 17, 2010 20:56:50 GMT -6
Pretty slick, I'd say!
I'm sold on these, as in my 105 degree climate they actually seem to help. Heck, they look cool too... I especially like your trimming of the cut plastic! Looks factory.
NICE WORK!
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 13, 2010 1:54:42 GMT -6
Rich,
That hog springer is definitely cool! They don't drive all that great though, and making one up for a scooter could be a LOT of work. What I was thinking would just involve two cosmetic downtube "tops" from the end of the real fork tubes, up to a fake top triple-tree made from sheet stock. Just for looks, but would simulate a traditional full-length cycle-type fork. Only a cosmetic fake, but would look "period"...
GOOD NEWS for seeking a solo seat! They appear on eBay quite often, in all sizes and shapes, from the super-wide old Harley style, down to skinny chopper types, and everything inbetween. They can be EXPENSIVE but often they appear for less than $50. Some I've seen go for a $20 bid plus shipping! You just have to look until you find a bargain. I'm not sure you couldn't even use a quality sprung bicycle saddle. They're a LOT like the old Italian scooter seats. Probably were also used on some European bicycles!
Glad to hear the wobble is improved and the scoot is fast! I do believe we sorta like the same style rides!
Ride safe!
Leo
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 12, 2010 1:37:03 GMT -6
Rich,
Lookin' GOOD!
As the "old chopper guy" I'm really liking what you've done... This is the essence of what we did "back in the day" like in the early sixties... when chopping a Harley or Brit bike. OR a Cushman...
The high-mounted single headlight is classic. How about a suggestion here? A simple fabrication of a false (cosmetic only) top triple-tree from sheet stock, and false upper fork downtube extensions from chrome sink-pipe or polished aluminum tube, running from the top end of the real downtubes to the fake top triple-tree? That would closely simulate a Cushman Eagle front fork, and be in character with the new headlight.
Either no front fender, or, a simple one like the red-painted rear would also be in character (bet you could find a perfect trailer fender at Northern Tool of similar place) creating a great fifties old-school cosmetic to the front end without any real alterations. Simple, clean and WAY different from the typical "short fork" look of the original.
Great looking upsweep exhaust too, now, if you could only snag a sprung solo seat!
No hard feelings if you don't like these ideas, just me rambling... but I'm hard-core, rat-rod, rat-bike, bobber/chopper old-school, and your scoot is quickly heading toward just what I'd build if I had the extra time and money...
I'm AMAZED at how a Chinese design can edge toward a fifties American "bobber"!
Hey, ain't them no-limit CDI's honkers? Love 'em.
Good work!
Leo in Texas
PS: Hope you got that front end wobble cured!
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 27, 2010 1:30:17 GMT -6
I had a similar problem, and first changed the coil. That helped a lot... Evidentally, the original coil was going bad as Bashan said. I then put in a no-limit CDI and everything worked fine. These scooters have individual personalities, and what worked on mine might, or might not work for you.
I do believe both the factory coils, AND CDI's are pretty poor, and tend to slowly go bad, which slowly drives you NUTS! I used a Japanese Bando orange coil (about $20 on eBay) and a "New Racing" (red version) CDI (I just HATE that stupid name, but it works great... LOL!) also about $20 on eBay.
I also had to do the typical re-jet on the carb, raise the needle a LOT, and replace the stock airbox/filter with a Uni "sock" filter to get bog-free acceleration and smooth top end. Mine (the ol' hoss in my avatar) never would run right with the factory "tuba" airbox and intake.
Only problem I've encountered is a need to REALLY watch the tach, as the motor will turn a quick and honest 10,000 rpm if you don't watch it. Not so good on rods, mains, valves and my old heart... LOL!
Keep fiddling with the CDI, coil, carb and air filter and you'll get it perfect!
Ride safe,
Leo in Texas
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