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Post by km on May 17, 2015 18:20:50 GMT -6
Anyone interested in seeing this beast or making an offer, it will be available by Tuesday at Dirt Cheap Fun in Pace Florida. Mike (the owner) will be making a few adjustments and then selling it for me. His site: Dirt Cheap Fun Now I have to decide my next hobby project... Ken
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Post by km on May 16, 2015 15:42:47 GMT -6
When the carburetor was changed the jets were included. I have not opened it or checked with the service guy to see what he put in there, but the power curve is now smooth. Thanks for reminding me he still has the jets from my old carburetor.
I now have the fenders back on, so the conversion project is completed. Still interested in selling this beast, FYI.
Ken
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Post by km on May 11, 2015 15:56:14 GMT -6
The trike now will do better than 50 MPH at about 7400 RPM. I bought new trailer wheels, (10X6) new tires (65), and two adapters from Adapter Kings to convert from 110mm to 4" to support the new wheels. I changed the M11 bolts on the hub to 7/16" and used 1.5" grade 5 bolts and steel hex nuts to cinch the adapter and tightened to 100 ft pounds. Bought 12X1.5 lug nuts to bolt the new wheels to the adapter studs. The only thing remaining is to adapt the rear fenders to fit over the new wheels/tires. Still working on that problem. Based on another reply to this original posting, I purchased ST205/65-10 tires. Further research indicated that size is not recommended for 8 inch wheel width. If I had purchased ST225/65-10 or ST235/65-10 tires, I could have used the existing wheels, instead of the process above. The wheels and adapter set up is able to handle 1100+ pounds per wheel and speeds well over 80 MPH. If the stock wheels can handle 50+ MPH safely, the tires would be the only required change when using the larger 225/235 mentioned above. I went to Goodyear to mount the new tires to the new wheels, and they did it for no charge! I tipped the service guy. This site was helpful in determining the suitability of the tires: mostwheels.com/rimwidth.html ... The included information stated the ideal size wheel for a given tire/wheel size is the middle of the range of acceptable sizes. That is all for now. These updates allow me to not have to be at full throttle to reach 45 MPH. Now I have to back off the throttle to keep from speeding! Ken
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Post by km on Apr 27, 2015 23:06:44 GMT -6
I have found no problem with finding the tires, but wouldn't you need 10X6 wheels to mount these tires, since the current wheels are designed for 50s? I have been looking everywhere and have not been able to find wheels that have the 4/110 bolt pattern. There are plenty of tire/wheel combinations for trailers, but all are 4X4 bolt pattern. Ken
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Post by km on Apr 6, 2015 12:53:00 GMT -6
Here is an update. The trike has been bumped to 99 (100)cc and a new carburetor was installed because the power curve would never settle down. I had to put the original barrel into the variator so the belt would stop flying off and being destroyed! The trike will now reach 50 MPH, provided no heavy wind resistance. The weights are 10g, which seems to given the optimum torque, while no longer flying the belt to destruction. Since buying this unit, we moved closer to Alabama and bought a dune buggy. No need for this Q6 beast anymore. Contact me if you would be interested in buying this souped up monster. Over $2500 invested, but will part with for $1500 or good offer. It has been serviced by reputable mechanic in the Pace Florida area. He increased the displacement and installed a high quality carburetor as well. This unit also has a rear storage compartment that can fit two full size helmets. Contact me if interested.
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Post by km on Dec 1, 2014 13:05:56 GMT -6
Q6 PST50-17 Blue Trike for sale. "100cc" upgrade kit with around 100 km since upgrade High performance clutch, variator, springs. Clutch is variable. Variator from Dr Pulley and much more reliable than stock. High performance CDI, coil, Iridium Spark plug, exhaust. After market motorcycle style travel trunk holds two helmets. Free flow air filter with PCV value to avoid oil spray Sounds great with governor removed. Less than 1000 km original Speeds up to 52 MPH in level, windy conditions Currently 8 gram rollers, also have 6 gram stock rollers and 5 gram sliders. Stock clutch and other parts still on hand. Upgraded carburetor body, plus jets from upgrade kit. Additional jets (stock/other) available. Basically a Chinese trike upgraded to more closely match much higher priced option. More than 2500 invested! Priced to sell at $1500, or best reasonable offer. We moved which makes my dune buggy more fun than the trike. Dealer interest also welcomed. If interested, I will post specific information for aftermarket parts. Serviced by the person that works on Chinese scooters for the Florida Gulf coast area. Only issue is a damaged master cylinder cover on right handle bar that is not affecting brake performance.
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Post by km on May 29, 2014 21:29:14 GMT -6
Here is a follow up... I now have a Dr Pulley variator, After market clutch set/bell with 1500 RPM torque spring and adjustable clutch springs. I currently have three 6 gram rollers, expecting Dr. Pulley sliders (4 gm). Added performance air filter and performance exhaust. I also have a #45 idle and #95 main jet. With this set up I have had it up to 40+ and 92-9600 RPM. The additional grams for the sliders should bring it down to optimum torque RPM. I had to add a pipe to compensate for the differences with the trike for the performance exhaust. Parts for Scooters was able to get all of these components to me very quickly. Results so far with engine still during break in period... I have even had my wife on the trike with me, with minimal loss of performance. This little powerhouse gets looks as it travels along the roads of Destin. Still need to set the idle and mixture to optimum, but very pleased with results so far. Ken
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Post by km on May 1, 2014 13:58:53 GMT -6
The variator immobilizer tool finally arrived and worked like a charm. I removed the rollers and checked their mass.
Each of the rollers is 6 grams, based on my measurements. If 5.5g is considered by many to be ideal, perhaps it is the contra spring or the clutch springs that are preventing the peek RPM from being achieved. I need to remove the clutch to see if the spring(s) needs to be upgraded. I think the clutch springs are fine, based on when the trike begins to roll forward. The fact that acceleration and power on hills is not optimal, I am thinking contra spring, or the main jet is still not big enough. Does anyone think 6 gram rollers can be improved upon?
Ken
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Post by km on Apr 22, 2014 8:24:37 GMT -6
I already replied to your PM.
I am waiting for a tool that immobilizes the variator for loosening and tightening. Once that finally arrives, I will be taking a look. The specifications say the best torque is at 6800 RPM, but that cannot be achieved with the stock weights. In fact, I found the RPM to max at 6080 with changes I have made so far, but that drops through the gearing to in the 4000 to 5000 range. I have had it as high as 7200 down hill, so the engine just needs the variator to allow it to spin more easily to get to maximum torque.
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Post by km on Apr 10, 2014 10:14:52 GMT -6
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Post by km on Apr 9, 2014 8:25:49 GMT -6
If the JR08 is a #80 as assumed, the trike was starved for fuel using that jet, which is why I changed to a #85. It seems that if the jet was too big it would bog down with the excessive fuel. I also ran it for about 40 km yesterday at various speeds from 25 up to 35 plus after changing the spark plug to an iridium, and the plug electrode is brown, which should indicate the air/fuel mixture is good across the spectrum. The needle has only a single notch, so is not adjustable except with washers and longer screw to hold it in. Perhaps the jet is compensating for that? As for the weights, the trike takes some time to get up to speed, so it is likely the variator is getting to the top too soon, as you suggest. There is no information on the weights without taking the variator apart, unfortunately.
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Post by km on Apr 8, 2014 9:04:25 GMT -6
That is what is weird. I read your document about how to set the air/fuel and have it set as close to optimum as I could at this point in the break in period. What happens is from a stop it builds RPM to about 6000 to 6200, and then if I increase the throttle a bit further the RPM goes down. If I then back it off it goes up a bit, but never regains the RPM it has before the increase in throttle until brought back down to idle first (stop sign). If I hit the sweet spot with the throttle, it increases in RPM to around 6000 to 6200, and the trike will accelerate up to about 30 to 32 MPH on the stock speedometer (I have not compared it to reality, yet). From the above I was assuming the air is too much for the .85 main jet, which I used to replace the JR08 that was stock. I have my idle speed currently set at 1740 RPM (aftermarket tachometer using wire wrapped around spark plug wire to obtain information).
I have not been able to find any documentation that matches this trike, or an equivalent scooter it may be based on.
Ken
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Post by km on Apr 8, 2014 8:51:24 GMT -6
That is what I would do as well, but you have not seen the crazy drivers down here. I would like to live long enough to get through the break in period. Ken
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Post by km on Apr 7, 2014 19:08:35 GMT -6
I have had this trike for about 3 months. In that time, I changed the CDI, coil, and spark plug to performance options. I checked for any restrictions with variator, carburetor needle, and any others I read about. None of those seem to apply. The needle to control fuel flow has only one notch , the variator had no washer, and besides possible exhaust restriction, the trike should be unrestricted. My objective is to get the scooter to at least 35, so I don't annoy other drivers and to avoid being killed. I have had it up to almost 40 and 7400 RPM downhill with a wind. At first it had no torque, but as the motor was breaking in, the torque improved. I changed the CDI because I noticed the RPM would max out around 6200, FYI. The air box has been replaced with a cone filter, and I used the existing breather and intake pipes to create a intake pipe that still has the crankcase ventilation tube attached to the intake. With all of these changes, I seemed to have lost some torque and speed. I adjusted the air/fuel screw after uncovering it, and the torque is mostly back. I expect it to improve as the motor continues to break in, as it is currently at 160 km. What I have noticed is the RPM drops at close to full throttle, like the new main jet (.85) is too small. I did not change the other jet, which I believe is .29.
The most annoying thing I have found is there is NO documentation on the Q6 except for a generic manual that resembles this trike very little. I found information about ratios, etc. at icebear site and extremescooters.biz which don't completely agree with each other, but otherwise this trike seems to be the great unknown. Any information and answers to the speed/torque limitations would be appreciated.
Ken
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Post by km on Apr 6, 2014 16:48:36 GMT -6
Locktite should also work.
Ken
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