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Post by JR on Mar 31, 2014 6:45:28 GMT -6
OK so a "fishing" thread is revived, nothing wrong with fishing because we now have a "NO SCOOTER" section. So how does it now turn into a drama thread and pissing match about trailering a scooter? JR
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Post by JR on Mar 30, 2014 20:58:46 GMT -6
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Post by JR on Mar 30, 2014 19:18:57 GMT -6
my money is it is ac cdi , if the stator he posted a picture of is a replacement for his stator . That is not a 3phase stator the paper wraped coil is the ac coil for ignition . cdi wiring : Fixed ground switched ground power pulse (could be 2 wire) feed to coil crank the engine and read acv from the white wire , let us know . John can we get an answer to this post ? Jack I don't know how or where you found the posted info on this . I suspect you can use that pick up coil by grounding one of the two wires , but we still need to know what the acv is . We also need to know what the voltage is to power the cdi off the stator . John You're preaching to the choir.
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Post by JR on Mar 30, 2014 15:22:56 GMT -6
OK guys I've got it all figured out. First of all I just put in a image resize plugin and you will see all photos reduced in size, this helps the page load faster especially for slower computers. Now if you put your cursor/hand over the photo and click it will go back to the original size, nice when you need to view a diagram in full view.
OK point blank this "is" a Hyosung scooter and here is the service manual for it:
www.jr-richscooterdoc.com/Hyosung_SF50_prima_service_manual.pdf
Second of all this is "not" a Dc type CDI but a AC type, here is the wiring diagram:
CDI = 6-wire and the colors and where they go are as follows and this scooter "does" not have a engine kill switch on the handle bars, it is stopped through ignition key switch.
B/W (black/white) = ground B/R (black/red) = AC feed from stator to CDI Br (brown) = pulse coil W (white) = pulse coil B/Y (black/yellow) = CDI kill wire from key switch W/L (white/blue) = feed to spark plug coil
Here is the CDI pin layout and color scheme from the manual:
Also in his photo he posted the R/R and it is a 4-wire version and the colors are:
White/red = AC from stator to R/R Yellow/White = Ac from stator to R/R Red = DC charging voltage to battery Black/white = ground.
Now if he is to convert it to another CDI got to have a 6-wire type and know the pin layout on it also. Now here is something we need to know, do we have AC from the stator feed wire (B/R) and on the pulse coil wire and yes it is a 2-wire pulse coil version?
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Post by JR on Mar 30, 2014 7:48:55 GMT -6
OK guys I found the diagram to this thing! My godaddy server is doing weekend maintenance right now and I can't upload it but will sometime today. So just wait and I'll get it today and we'll get this thing fixed, the pictures confirm my diagram including the wire colors. We will get it fixed.
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Post by JR on Mar 29, 2014 21:49:23 GMT -6
Rich I think the JOG 50 is close because again they did pattern some of the older model 2 strokers after it. I've got several Hyosung 50cc 2T owner manuals but none with a wiring diagram and I've been really looking for leads on a diagram. Hyosung is stingy with their service manuals. When he gets up and has a chance and can send us a picture of what the 4-wire plug with single connector plugs into we'll still be kind of in the dark. I still have a thought that we may have one of these odd ball setups. A lot of scooters sent to Brazil have the European way of doing things and you never know what you're going to turn up. Here is a thread that gave me a good education on this: thescooterprofessor.proboards.com/thread/219Also here is another and look at the wiring diagram on the second post, it is in Dutch but you can tell what is what and you'll see the CDI/R/R setup, no R/R no fire. That diagram is of the Suzuki Ay50 which is a carbon copy of the Honda Sky and SGX50 both made for Europe and England. www.thescooterprofessor.proboards.com/thread/3154/honda-sgx-50You can enlarge the diagram and see it well. We got to find a Hyosung diagram. JR
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Post by JR on Mar 29, 2014 11:47:24 GMT -6
Ok here the news: I do what Alley and Jhon says and test Black/Yellow wire turn on the key and start the engine and guess what? 12.5V~16.0V on that wire and multimeter set to DC so i test that fuse and he is good but the wires from fuse do not connect with CDI i not able to find continuit on any wire came from CDI with the key on or off position. On the great google i find a tutorial on how to test the ignition coil and more surprise! The ign. coil is broken too so i replace with one from Honda Biz 100 and test again now i have spark (a yellow spark) came from the new ign. coil so i think that damn CDI is good like lanternscooter say. All the tests i make with my old and broken carburator here some pics above, ok the engine has a strong smell of gas so i think the engine may be drowned by the faulty carburator, i open the air filter and guess what? NO FILTER inside this mess is become interesting ;-) So about the CDI, i have litle hope he has like the JOG 50´s but is the same problem to find a new one here in Brazil and the colors of wires has diferent. Here the link for one of that: produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-546065648-m151-peca-yamaha-cy-50-jog-e-bws-cdi-original-_JM I can not be able to open the fan case because i arrive too late on my home but if your guys want i will open today when i come back to home. I not mention one thing! This scoot IS a Kasinski Prima 50cc here in Brazil but on the CVT case is marked whit HYOSUNG this helps whit anything? Here some pics: "Maybe" a faulty carburator? I open all the pices of he and clean but nothing happens here is the picture he after the cleanup process. This is the faulty ign. coil and a faul spark plug too. Just to complement: i put A new NGK spark, a new Ign. Coil and and a new battery but i want to change the CDI for a modern one anyway... Hey you are a funny man but my comunication with you guys is limited to my work, because my home PC is broken this end of week i will fix this :-) Today i will stay here until 16:00 PM. Guys do not now what to say to you about all support and antention that you give me on this journey...so i like say thanks one more time S2 They are a dime a dozen on Ebay.
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Post by JR on Mar 29, 2014 11:46:05 GMT -6
Oh ho ho! I've been looking at a Hyosung scooter! Let me do some studying guys, now I've got some more ammo and this will tell me where to go.
Hey Rich look at the JOG 50 service manual in the Yamaha section, if you don't have it I'll shoot it this way but I'm going up the Hyosung route now they are very similar.
Also Rich if you look at the link he posted on the JOG CDI you see 5-wire, I'm telling you the 6-wire unit has pictured is the R/R?
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Post by JR on Mar 28, 2014 21:52:39 GMT -6
Bashan
I understand Rich and I do believe the unit in the photo is the R/R and not the CDI. I'm looking a the Jog diagram right now and it's a 5-wire CDI, DC fed and dig this when turning the key on you supply 12Vdc and the ground to two terminals of the CDI at the same time. It is not independently grounded.
The second photo plug is 5-wire total but he isn't showing the unit it's plugged into and we know there are lots of 6-pin R/R even on a two stroke. But some of the old Minirelli's had 6-pin CDI's with two ground wires going to them.
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Post by JR on Mar 28, 2014 16:05:08 GMT -6
Either I'm confused or you are, can you show me a picture of what this is plugged into? I want to see the unit/box itself.
I think the first picture you posted is not a CDI but the R/R and yes guys some CDI's feed from the R/R not the ignition or stator. The Honda Sky is one and with a dead R/R no fire to the CDI.
If I am right as far if this is the CDI and 5-pin then if it can be converted to another CDI think JOG.
www.partsforscooters.com/50cc-2-stroke-CDI
If the unit you posted is in fact the CDI and 6-pin then we think 6-pin the older JOG:
www.monsterscooterparts.com/cdi-50cc-2stroke-qmb.html
When I get back from softball practice later I'll look up those wiring diagrams. Remember google is your friend.
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Post by JR on Mar 28, 2014 15:37:43 GMT -6
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Post by JR on Mar 27, 2014 10:33:20 GMT -6
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