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Post by JR on Mar 7, 2014 13:39:38 GMT -6
Check the trigger coil and see what it is reading and you also didn't answer my question actually two of them, are you measuring 80 AC or DC and have you left the volt meter on the red/black wire and turned the engine over for a good spell and seeing if the voltage is steady and not dropping there? JR Your first question was answered two posts back from yours. I measured for about 10 seconds total and there was only the expected variation in the reading (6-82 Vac). Your stator is bad, 6 to 82 Vac isn't going to cut it, it should never drop below 50Vac and should go as high as 110 Vac. Also you did not report a pulse coil wire blue/white reading.
Time for a stator.
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Post by JR on Mar 7, 2014 12:59:13 GMT -6
Sir it doesn't matter about what you are measuring from the output of the CDI to the coil, with a standard mulit-meter it is inaccurate period. The speed at which the voltage discharges is so fast a standard volt meter will not read it fast enough thus the steady drop in your readings. The CDI fires at and incredibly fast pace, it fires twice per revolution of the flywheel, just imagine how many times that is at just a 2000 rpm idle of the engine.
Even ohming a CDI is very inaccurate, best solution? if you think it's the CDI it's a $20 replacement and worst that can happen is you have an extra on hand. If you're getting a steady 80 volts (AC) from the red/black then it's not the stator coil. You haven't mentioned checking the trigger (pulse coil) usually the blue/white or blue/yellow wire? It should read from 0.05 Vac to 1.5 Vac, if it isn't sending a signal no spark.
I also belong to that forum you linked to and if you read the post you'll see he said what you've been told here:
Check the trigger coil and see what it is reading and you also didn't answer my question actually two of them, are you measuring 80 AC or DC and have you left the volt meter on the red/black wire and turned the engine over for a good spell and seeing if the voltage is steady and not dropping there?
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Post by JR on Mar 6, 2014 21:47:05 GMT -6
You are confusing the R/R with the CDI. The stator puts out AC period, no DC involved. A typical 8-coil stator has 7 coils dedicated to one thing, the charging and lighting system. It is converted to Dc and regulated through the R/R (rectifier/regulator)
The 8th coil is a AC output that has only one function to supply Ac voltage to the CDI. Once the CDI gets voltage it stores it up to a certain amount then it's discharged to the coil which amps it up to as much as 20k in voltage to the sparkplug.
It discharges when it receives a message from the pulse coil (trigger coil) which is located on the outside of the flywheel and sends a weak voltage signal telling the CDI to fire at a time when the piston is at TDC on the intake and exhaust stroke which is timed by the location of the magnets on the flywheel.
The pulse coil and AC coil that feeds the CDI can be good and the charging coils be bad and the scooter will still run even with a totally dead battery.
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Post by JR on Mar 6, 2014 21:30:38 GMT -6
Nope and I'll add the speed at what the CDI charges and releases it's voltage is so fast that the ordinary multimeter is not capable of reading it. Old Oscilloscopes and Fluke makes a meter that is basically called a speed pickup meter that can do the trick but you'll need to dig deep into your pocketbook to buy one. www.scooter-assassins.com/files/D50_17_Ignition_System.pdf
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Post by JR on Mar 6, 2014 20:40:20 GMT -6
I've gotten my bike to the point where there seems to be only a single problem remaining. There's a thread on that here somewhere, or was. But anyway, at this point everything is working nicely with the exception of the output from the CDI. When attempting to start, the stator will put out around 80 volts steadily. The output from the CDI however will start around 30 V and drop over the course of a few seconds until it's down to 1 or 2 V. Results are identical using 2 different brand new CDIs. It's a typical GY6 50cc. First of all measuring voltage output for the CDI is not practical with a volt meter, it takes a special instrument to measure output on a CDI.
I'll echo Rich, is the 80 volts on the red/black and is this AC voltage. If the results are the same with two CDI's then it's time to see if the voltage on the red/black wire from the stator to the CDI is fluctuating. Also ground wires play a big role with a non-sparking engine.
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Post by JR on Mar 5, 2014 21:42:38 GMT -6
Here's Doc!
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Post by JR on Mar 5, 2014 21:19:34 GMT -6
You guys are the best. Keep 'em coming. I don't have any iPods to give out, but I might send some press on nails and some mascara to Charity. Hey don't let him kid you one minute! He's a master at disguise! Here is one of his classic Cookees wardrobes!
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Post by JR on Mar 5, 2014 20:36:28 GMT -6
Ok I'm done, I cheated and copied Richs!
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Post by JR on Mar 5, 2014 14:06:06 GMT -6
OK, your all UN-suspended, but have to ask what the heck did all of you have?? All of a sudden coming on like a bunch of macho wussies. A real macho guy does not need to be vulgar he uses none vulgar words to make his or her point LIKE ME. I can put someone down and make him feel so ugly and low he has to sneak up on a glass of water to take a drink or sneak up under the bed sheet to get some sleep(NOW THAT IS ONE UGLY DUDE). Alleyoop
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Post by JR on Mar 5, 2014 12:28:01 GMT -6
Someone needs a long vacation... Magoo oh stop that magoo, HE just got back!, be nice now, down boy!! JR, just ignore magoo, as the Bible says, " forgive him for he know not what he is saying"... ...his silverwing is the one that needs a long vacation...LOL!!
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Someone needs a long vacation... Magoo
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