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by: JR - Mar 5, 2014 9:37:50 GMT -6
Post by JR on Mar 5, 2014 9:37:50 GMT -6
OK, I am going to suspend all you for using profane language. This is not a porn shop so lets tone it down some, I am so embarrassed   Alleyoop
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by: JR - Mar 4, 2014 22:26:22 GMT -6
Post by JR on Mar 4, 2014 22:26:22 GMT -6
....the aforementioned prick is holding a Chesapeake crab... not an Alabama chicken.
Okay...everyone hold hands and join in a heartfelt rendition of Kum-by-ya.
Now go figure that? a certified prick playing with ..........crabs? I don't think Rich has anything in the Doc's bag to handle a dose of crabs that big? You're on your own with this one Rich!
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by: JR - Mar 4, 2014 15:06:18 GMT -6
Post by JR on Mar 4, 2014 15:06:18 GMT -6
Oh.... so I guess that now leaves me as the only prick left???
I'll do my darnedest to live up to my highly inflated expectations. It could be worse?
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Post by JR on Mar 3, 2014 10:19:18 GMT -6
Wait a minute? Didn't I see the guy in the picture in the movies once?
Wait another minute? How did he get that gorgeous lady to stand with him in that picture? OH I forgot he had his side kick helping!
Yea them thar folks up at that Pet It Place are different for sure and speak a language only true southerners can understand and ya better not firgit it neither!
Did you say Pet It?
OK here's something you can pet?
Meet Jean!
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Post by JR on Mar 3, 2014 9:38:27 GMT -6
OK folks it's time I answered on this thread. Right now I'm just glad to be home due to this miserable weather, 2" of ice and it's snowing now! I should have been a weatherman, dang people the only ones I know who don't have a clue about anything, report what they don't have a clue about and get paid for it!
My wife is a nurse and works in Little Rock which is normally a 50 minute drive down HWY 10 to her hospital. She starts at 6:30 a.m. I left in my 4 X 4 at 4 a.m. sharp and got her to work at 6:15 a.m. Wasn't me having a problem but all the idiots that either don't know how to drive or are driving something they had no business of being on the road with, cars, cops, and wreckers everywhere. I actually went through one ditch around some of the BS after telling a policeman that my wife is a nurse and she HAS to get to work. He said go for it son and old Chevy pulled through. Trouble is high today of 25F so it'll be worse tonight after glazing over because she works 12 hour shift, goes to work when it's dark get's off when it's dark.
I see no need into going over the past and what all happened, Rich and I have been having a great back and forth dialect and we've worked things out, nothing more to say. We both learned a lot and I look forward to going forth in the future as friends and doing the best we can to make this forum along with some of the others a fun place to be and a place where all look forward to being at and I can tell you he feels the same.
To the one reply that Luke made all I can say is Luke you need to let the two people you mentioned speak for themselves, if they choose not to then that's OK and that's their right. You spoke your feelings and I appreciate your comment but this thread is not a place to start some sort of why this and why that drama peeing match. Been enough of that and it's time for it to end.
All stay warm that are dealing with this bad weather and safe.
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by: JR - Feb 27, 2014 13:23:06 GMT -6
Post by JR on Feb 27, 2014 13:23:06 GMT -6
Standard 8-coil AC stator. 7 coils devoted to charging the battery and one designated to the AC feed on the CDI.
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Post by JR on Feb 26, 2014 12:48:53 GMT -6
Ok unplug the square plug with the yellow white and green . Put your meter in the ac voltage setting , put one wire from. The meter to the green the other to yellow start the engine rev it to 5000rpm and hold it for 30 seconds see what voltage you get then do it again for the white . John Danger! Danger! On some models if you unplug the R/R and rev them up, if the stator is indeed putting out right you'll smoke the headlight bulbs! They will receive a good shot of un-regulated AC from the stator and go poof! |
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by: JR - Feb 26, 2014 6:56:32 GMT -6
Post by JR on Feb 26, 2014 6:56:32 GMT -6
Sorry there are no full wave stators out on the market for scooters currently. I think there is some confusion on this. Full wave stators are DC orientated and not AC. To prove this check the voltage output of your stator now. Yes there are body grounded and floating ground stators but floating ground still = AC output. While they may be somewhat aligned to be a full wave type stator they are not used that way on a scooter. Rich has a full wave conversion here on the forum to demonstrate.
A floating ground R/R is not DC even though you do get DC charging voltage from it. . One can make the system DC but you need a full wave DC R/R and another way to know that your stator and R/R is AC is to trace where the headlight system ties in and you'll quickly find AC. A full wave DC system has all light functions running off of the battery and DC.
Making a big to do over the bolting it up to the frame, non floating ground R/R bolt to frame for grounding, floating ground R/R bolt to frame, it's grounded internally so what harm is going to happen to a R/R that is not grounded to the outside body of the R/R?
Floating voltage is a voltage that is not connected by any conducting path (including resistors) to ground or the key voltage reference point floating means no reference to anything.
A system where the system ground is not actually connected to another circuit or to earth (though there is still a AC coupling) is a floating ground.
An AC R/R that is grounded, has a hot and a neutral lead, The neutral lead no longer has AC as you think of it, and the hot lead is the powered wire. Without the ground it is a differential signal, 180 degrees out of phase.
A AC type R/R is single-ended which means that one of the two connectors of the input is connected to a ground which you cannot alter.
Floating simply means that the regulator's ground pin is not at the same voltage as the load current. There are disadvantages to a floating ground R/R, they burn out more easily. Since it is fooled into working above the true ground of the circuit, should you put more load on it than the input going in you have no short circuit protection except the fuse and they burn up more easily. Should you have a direct short before the fuse or it fails then the R/R is toast.
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Post by JR on Feb 25, 2014 21:46:56 GMT -6
Yes John, that's always the best policy, you did the right thing. And thanks Jack, that does make more sense. I still would like to see some meter readings to be 100% convinced. I shouldn't get in a hurray, I didn't see the bullet connector. However, why the red in the stator pigtail? And why the yellow and pink? If the yellow isn't center tapped I would think they'd be the same color with equal voltage like two yellows. That diagram does show that the yellow doesn't split which does support that concept. All in all a bizarre setup and I guess over my pay grade. I did get the white = pink wire! Maybe.....  Hey Rich I just got lucky first on the bullet connector and remember a thread of loooooooooong ago about the 5-pin single wire bullet connector R/R on some of the old Tanks and especially the Lifan scooters, they did that crap so you'd have to buy their parts.
Also if you look at mxmatt's picture you do see what appears to be a red wire going down toward the engine which one would assume is going to the stator but I'm betting it's like a lot of Chinese harness taping jobs and they did that to make it easier to keep it together where the female/male plugs go together? I'm betting money that red wire if traced on down the harness goes to a fork in the road and heads straight to the battery and not the stator.
But from what I've read he hasn't tested the stator yellow/white wires yet for Ac output so until he does that it's still a guess what is really wrong?
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Post by JR on Feb 24, 2014 21:28:03 GMT -6
If you'll take note in his last photos the red/white wire is separate from the main plug on a bullet connector, while not very common this is typical of the old 5-wire R/R that was used on older Tank and early Roketa scooters. I can't see the color wire it's plugged into but I'm betting black.
The red/white wire puts out nothing but rather receives 12Vdc from the key switch when on. It is a voltage read wire only or a input wire which tells the R/R what voltage demand is needed.
With a fully charged battery unhook the bullet connector and turn the key on and see if you read 12Vdc+ on the wire that plugs into the red/white wire.
I know I've got a good generic 5-wire diagram if I can find it but here is a old one from a verucci scooter:
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by: JR - Feb 22, 2014 17:09:26 GMT -6
Post by JR on Feb 22, 2014 17:09:26 GMT -6
Isn't Jonway one of the two companies that makes plastic panels in China? I'm sure Tao Tao must use them then. Yes Jonway has their hand in a lot of things, even four wheelers and ATV's, they just don't make a big deal out of what they do. |
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Post by JR on Feb 22, 2014 11:40:04 GMT -6
There is cooler /heaters made to plug into cig lighters Yes but the standard 8-coil stator on a 150cc will not handle it and you'll end up with a fried electrical system and walking to a dead battery. |
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