Sunny Powersports By cookees (Read 6,855 times)

[cookees]

Anyone out there have any dealings with the Sunny brand or with Sunny Power Sports? www.sunnymotor.com/


Just curious....dats all!


Rich, feel free to move to the proper forum.

[turtle8]

I've always liked the looks of their funky bobber motorcycle, but for some reason, I've been averse to seriously consider Sunny bikes. Whether it is warranted or not, my mind groups Sunny, Sunl, and Scooter Depot - I question the quality.

[Bashan]

May 31, 2011 18:20:37 GMT -6 cookees said:

Rich, feel free to move to the proper forum.

Where do you want me to go!!!

[trailheadmike]

Sunny makes the old style yamaha majesty clone that is making its way around the various sellers, as well as the three wheeled leaning bike that some now carry. I see that superior carries them both, and, FWIW, people speak well of superior.

[kz1000st]

I keep waiting for a report on those Helix clones that grocerygetter bought. I'd like to know how they do as runners.

[kissarmy]

As a newbie still doing research I would never ever buy from Sunny sports/AKA Scooter Depot look at all the complaints they have and a BBB rating of F also lawsuits and the Government involved as well as attorney general and lots of lawsuits. STAY FAR AWAY FROM SUNNY SPORTS/SCOOTER DEPOT.You can find the same or simillar scooters from other decent dealers like Superior power sports check them out I'd deal with them If I buy online.EVO sales sounds good to from what I found out only 3 complaints (due to the shipper and damage they tried to work with the customer and It was customers fault with the part and he never sent a copy of recipt that they asked for) this can be found on ripoff repot.com they also have been in business since 2003 I'd consider them after my research.

[damin69]

Jun 2, 2011 10:06:35 GMT -6 kissarmy said:

As a newbie still doing research I would never ever buy from Sunny sports/AKA Scooter Depot look at all the complaints they have and a BBB rating of F also lawsuits and the Government involved as well as attorney general and lots of lawsuits. STAY FAR AWAY FROM SUNNY SPORTS/SCOOTER DEPOT.You can find the same or simillar scooters from other decent dealers like Superior power sports check them out I'd deal with them If I buy online.EVO sales sounds good to from what I found out only 3 complaints (due to the shipper and damage they tried to work with the customer and It was customers fault with the part and he never sent a copy of recipt that they asked for) this can be found on ripoff repot.com they also have been in business since 2003 I'd consider them after my research.

KISS keep looking you will find many many more complaints about EVOsales.com I went through hell with them their service sucks.

[grocerygetter]

Jun 2, 2011 5:22:11 GMT -6 kz1000st said:

I keep waiting for a report on those Helix clones that grocerygetter bought. I'd like to know how they do as runners.

HA! - was trying to figure out why my ears were ringing all morning!

I've been keeping quiet on that because they are in dispute.
I agreed to replace the damaged panels on the least damaged unit, but I wanted PSM to take back the more damaged one.
They want me to pay for return shipping on that one, plus forfeit the original shipping, so in a nutshell I'm supposed to be out a minimum $500 and not own the more damaged unit. I don't think so, scooter...

I did want to get into the decent SunL and post build quality etc since a few people were curious on them, but due to circumstances, I left them in the crate and pushed them aside in the garage.

I will say that they are not the same quality as the JCL that I received a few days after the Helix clones.
You can see it in the nasty mold flashing on the handle bar covers and numerous other black plastic parts, not necessarily the outer body panels.
Without actually taking the outer panels off yet, they look fairly close in quality as the JCL, though there is a a couple of paint runs and orange peel.

The assembly is without a doubt sub par compared to my JCL. I don't know what the norm is to expect, comparing the 2 different brands that I bought is all I can accurately go by.
I've read lots about the PDI on Chinese scoots and in fact am finding that the JCL I have isn't as bad as some of the precautionary steps advise - however I don't expect to find the same if/when I get into the SunL scoots; you can tell just by looking at them.
For instance the JCL came with the recommended NGK plug.
The vacuum lines are soft and have not shown any cracking even with me testing a few by pulling hard with plyers and then vacuum testing. You can see a visual difference in the SunL rubber.
Fuel line I am replacing on the JCL regardless even though it was stamped with fuel line type lingo; I don't like the idea of possibly being eaten away from gas and clogging up the carb/filter.


Handle bar covers on one of the SunL's have screws missing, one screw in crooked and I guess the driver torque was rightfully turned down, so due to the angle of the screw, it only went in about half way.

The frames are rusted in various locations on the SunL's - on welds and in the middle of open spots that should have received decent paint but didn't.

Numerous screws/nuts/bolts rusted. The speed nuts are even more inferior to the ones on my JCL - if you can believe that.
The JCL speed nuts are coated kind of greenish as well as all regualr hex nuts - SunL's are not coated, seem thinner and are all rusted.
****** These are 2009 units. The JCL I bought is rust free and is 2007.

Floor panel insert (black plastic/rubber kind of, JCL is stamped aluminum) is warped pretty bad and will require some heat the reshape. Not mounted at all. Not sure if it's missing screws or was intended to sit in place, but it won't.

Even the key remotes seem cheaper than the one that came with the JCL.

But i'm looking forward to working on the good one and finding out more, it still seems like a neat ride, but not the qaulity of the JCL.

BTW - regarding the original post - the BB and Ripoff.com etc do not have good things to say about Sunny Power Sports.

[rdkngusa]

Thanks for the follow up.Just recieved a 250cc scoot from a dealer minus the windshield.This dealer has been given good reviews on this site.No return call after 3 hrs.Will give dealer a chance before posting name and results.

[kz1000st]

I think the guys at Scooter Depot were dropped on their head on this one.

www.scooterdepot.us/250cc-New-Model-Deluxe-Street-Legal-Moped-Scooters-p-656.html

With shipping Powersportsmax is selling it for around $1600. Doesn't Sunny Sports own Scooter Depot?

[grocerygetter]

Superior started selling that unit recently too - approx $50 more than PSM, but they advertise they'll price match.

It looks like exactly the same unit in both stores - Sunny brand.

I forgot to mention the switches (turn signals etc) don't feel as good on this scoot as the JCL also.

SO I was thinking if these Fashion clones turn out to be decent, then you could probably retro fit better pieces where necessary and maybe these Sunny models are a deal?
Has anyone ever dealt with BJ's?
He seems to have a lot of stuff for this style. Not sure where he's getting stuff from or if he's reputable.

www.bjspricebuster.com/ACCESSARYS.php

[grocerygetter]

Finally closed the dispute with PowersportsMax and got one of the 2 Sunny / Helix clones out of my garage.
Long story on why its fall now and I'm only getting to these, I won't get into that here.

The burgundy one was purchased for someone else, the yellow one was for me.
The other fellow isn't too good at turning a wrench unfortunately, had I known the level of his capability and desire I wouldn't have gotten involved with him.
He doesn’t want to do any of the work himself. I have enough of my own stuff to do, so I tried to guide him thru and gave him use of my garage and tools, but he didn’t even want to change his own oil or fuel filter.

Anyway I'm still not completely into a full PDI on these yet because of his lack of interest but the little I helped him with still reinforces the poor build quality I stated in my above post.
I'll have more details when I get into my yellow one.

However - after dumping the acid packs into the battery, letting it sit for an hour, fueled it up, and it started reasonably after a few cranks.
Idled low so I turned it up a few 100 rpm.
Ran smooth, quiet.
Took it out after it reached temp and checked for any odd feeling at low speed, then nailed it a few times and bedded the brakes in. zips to 40mph like no ones business – I’m really impressed with the pickup and performance initially, we’ll see if it holds up.

My initial feeling is that I like it better than my JCL.
The JCL tires are nasty - howl like winter tires, hard like solid rubber.
The JCL shorter wheel base and slightly higher center of gravity make it slightly harder to do slow turns; the Sunny Helix feels completely comfortable making slow turns in our dead end.

The seat on the Sunny is softer than the JCL and fits better.
The Sunny seat is like boat-seat pleather - the JCL is like hard corduroy.
The trunk space is far more than a normal scooter - you have the large trunk behind the seat, then the large one on top.
However the top rack trunks on both his burgundy one and my yellow one, were either warped in packaging/shipping or factory seconds.
They are requiring some work to make them close. We cannot latch them shut and they require a good shove sideways to even get the opening to line up.

The trunk on the JCL was painted better and closes with no issue.
His burgundy one had the rubber gasket partially glued around the trunk opening, and it was nasty – stretched over a corner missing it, not seated along the edge; someone who could care less if they worked there.
Fortunately my yellow one went down the assembly line and got missed by the glue demon - I siliconed my own gasket on centered and straight.
The JCL came with the gasket loose in the trunk as well and I siliconed that one on too.

The power is right there - I wouldn't touch a thing.
My JCL needs something, chugs sometimes, doesn’t hold speed up large grades, and was assembled with no exhaust flange gasket at the head.
I was trying to avoid the valve adjustment on my JCL for no good reason, thinking maybe mine would be the one that is set ok, but I'll have to get on that and see if the adjustment brings it back to the level of life I would expect out of it. And get the exhaust flange gasket.

He told me today he had it at 90mph on the hwy - of course it isn't doing that, not sure if he believes me or not.
But that is out quite a bit more than I would have expected.
From driving with the traffic on my JCL, the Chinometer doesn’t appear to be out as much as the Sunny – I’ll verify with the GPS soon.

I wasn't sure what to expect from the JCL being my first scooter, but after riding the Sunny Helix, I know my JCL needs some fine tuning.
I have also developed a slight vibration at 55mph on the JCL.

His Sunny tires are much nicer, higher sidewall, softer rubber, normal looking tread and quiet.
The Sunny rides smoother than the JCL for the little bit that I rode his, I'll have to do a longer run to be more accurate on that but I'm assuming the tires are making a big difference.

I am still excited to get into my yellow Sunny and do a full PDI and drive it before it gets too cold.

So as far as doing a proper PDI - the guy at work came in today with a slight problem.
He tells me he's going to come by after work so I can see some wires hanging out the back, and his turn signals aren't working.
Oh boy here we go.
Somehow I have to get this guy to understand this is not my scooter, and he knows how intensely I went thru my JCL tearing it down to the frame and coating each wire connection and rerouting wires, zip tying and shortening vacuum lines etc.
The Sunny looks like it requires at least that much attention, plus painting on the already rusty frame and I’m pretty sure a little more TLC than the JCL needed.

So without bending down to see what he has going on, I see the wiring harness has wrapped around the rear wheel and been pulled out - stranded frayed copper everywhere.
He wants me to fix it. I'm assuming the light sockets are toast too. Guess I'll know more tonight.
I'm positive it could have been completely avoided had he gone thru it like I told him.

None of these Chinese scoots should be considered 'plug n play', and he shouldn't own one.
Or pay me $100 and I'll go thru it like it should be.

[Bashan]

Great narrative GG, quite a story. Man, poke a few holes in that guys vacuum lines and then tell him you don't know WHAT is wrong and he better take it to a shop. He's the kind of PITA that just keeps on taking. Lose him like a P.A.I.R. system would be my advice. Rich

[drjeff]

WOW grocerygetter, you are willing to put up with a lot more crap from assholes than me.

Simply explain, that your time is yours.

If he would like to purchase some time for you to look at his scooter, that can be arranged, and that it is time plus materials, no negotiations on material cost or parts.

Especially since he refuses to work on it himself.

Time costs $100.00 per hour.

Or he can drop it off at the motorcycle shop across town somewhere.

The person sounds like a leech.

BTW - will you fix his car for free, it likely needs an oil change, his toilet is likely stopped up because he is so full of crap, and his lawn likely needs to be cut since he is lazy.

I don't want to come across as a smartass, but sometimes you just have to draw a line.

[grocerygetter]

Sept 13, 2011 16:48:23 GMT -6 drjeff said:

WOW grocerygetter, you are willing to put up with a lot more crap from assholes than me.

Simply explain, that your time is yours.

If he would like to purchase some time for you to look at his scooter, that can be arranged, and that it is time plus materials, no negotiations on material cost or parts.

Especially since he refuses to work on it himself.

Time costs $100.00 per hour.

Or he can drop it off at the motorcycle shop across town somewhere.

The person sounds like a leech.

BTW - will you fix his car for free, it likely needs an oil change, his toilet is likely stopped up because he is so full of crap, and his lawn likely needs to be cut since he is lazy.

I don't want to come across as a smartass, but sometimes you just have to draw a line.

Thanks for the humor - I need it!
BTW I'm getting that stuff at work all day too!

I've got a hard road ahead of me getting this guy to become more independent.