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Post by speedracer on Jun 4, 2011 15:39:56 GMT -6
Recently I took my scooter to a Chinese scooter shop owned by two brothers who are both from China and worked at scooter assembly plants. He found the problem to be in the diaphram and was able to get the scooter running smooth again.
While I was there he asked me what type of gas I was using so I told him 87 octane. You should be using 90 octane he said as the manual says. I said well US gas is better then China gas, we have higher octane and China used leaded gas. He came back with China doesn't use a octane rating it uses a Ron formula, plus he added China hasn't used leaded gas since the year 2000. 90 octane is for USA scooters and that is what I should be using.
So now it was time to do the math. In my town 90 octane gas is $.11 more then regular unleaded. So if I purchased 100 gallons of the 90 octane gas I would spend $11.00 more. Now my 250 cc scooter averages 71 MPG so using the 100 gallons of gas as an expample I can go 7,100 and spend only $11.00 more.
Do I want to be cheap and save the $11.00 or put in the right octane and spend the $11.00? To me this is a no brainer as it will take me about a year or longer to put 7,100 miles on my scooter.
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Post by philr54 on Jun 4, 2011 16:00:57 GMT -6
And a RON rating 90 = 86.6 Pump Octane Number (US octane rating) Article
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Post by speedracer on Jun 4, 2011 16:17:55 GMT -6
And in China they use 92 and 97 RON.
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Post by Bashan on Jun 4, 2011 19:15:27 GMT -6
Great info guys, food for thought. It's strange, when I have Chinese food for thought I want more just a 1/2 hour later. ba-dump. I've read up on this quite a bit and IMO it comes down to your compression ratio. If it's around 9.5:1 or lower you really don't need premium's detonation retardants to prevent premature combustion. In fact, you'll get more energy out of regular because you can't harvest all of the energy in premium with the lower ratio. If your ratio is 10:1 or higher you'll need premium to prevent pinging which can seriously damage your engine. There's cleaners and detergents in all fuels anymore so you won't lose out there either. If your engine is knocking and pinging you should bump the octane up some.
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Post by damin69 on Jun 4, 2011 20:41:16 GMT -6
Well I feel more than the Octane the fact that the Higher octane fuels here in Wisconsin do not contain Ethanol while 87-89 octanes here do. I had a flex fuel van that I feel had an early dismise I will say I believe it all because of the ethanol. All around the fuel filler on that van was all coroded and the paint was gone just from some spillage from E85.
For that reason alone seeing what ethanol does to good solid vehicle I make sure on the scooters to use nothing but fuel with NO Ethanol in it.
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Post by benellibob on Jun 5, 2011 0:36:17 GMT -6
ethanol is ghey
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Post by 260orbust on Jun 5, 2011 4:54:45 GMT -6
If the darn thing would work regularly I'd happily pay a tad extra for premium. Compared to what I'm paying for regular in the car it's a small thing to live with.
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Post by 89newbie on Jun 5, 2011 20:03:48 GMT -6
Ethanol, if all premiums lack ethinol it is worth it. 93 gas always, always always results in beter mileage in my vehicles. The increased mileage has offset the initial cost delta, usually, and the vehicle runs better.
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Post by speedracer on Jun 6, 2011 11:48:39 GMT -6
Having a person who worked in a scooter factory tell me I should be using high test is good enough for me.
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