2005 125 DAELIM POOR STARTING By chekingese (Read 4,877 times)

[chekingese]

my 2 wheeled money pit won't start electrically, starts sometimes kicking on first or second try but usually takes many,many more. Has spark even with the starter.It was suggested that the problem was in the wiring, maybe a bad ground. checked wiring diagram,added second grounds to all components that would have anything to do with running. no help.on the ignition module there are 2 plugs one is for the safety controls the wiring diagram shows only 1 wire when there are 2. a greem w white tr that turns into a green w black tr in a connector plug isn't shown on diagram.i haven't tracked it to its source yet.Is there an easy way to eliminate all the safeties to see if the problem is in that system?the scooter isn't supposed to start with the kickstand down but it will,but, no power.put it up and it runs ok, when it will run. any ideas??? larry

[sprocket]

Set the valve gaps...

[chekingese]

I had it looked at by a local shop, that's where the money pit started. they supposedly checked valve settings first,then tested all other components. all components tested ok. they did replace a large diaphram in the carb.also. I don't know how to do it.valve settings that is...

[Alleyoop]

Lets find out if the hard starting is lack of fuel or to much fuel when starting.
Next time trying to start it after it will not start after a few cranks TAKE the Spark Plug out and see if it is WET or DRY.
IF wet then it may be it is to much fuel and will not fire(flooding it).
IF dry then it could just be no fuel is being sucked in for starting.

Does your carb have a ENRICHER? the Enricher feeds EXTRA FUEL for COLD starts. If it is COLD where you are at it could be the ENRICHER is not working.

Do you have a picture of the CARB that is on there to tell you what you may try ONCE you find out if the SPARK PLUG is wet or dry.

The Diapghram they put in ONLY applies AFTER the scoot is running, what that does is it Raises the NEEDLE out of the MAIN JET as you twist the Throttle and AIR PRESSURE gets in there to raise the needle.
Alleyoop

[chekingese]

I'm in Florida cool not coldcold.Below freezing tonight tho. Yes on the enricher. yes on the wet plug,but will try again tomorrow after a few cranks for accurate test. probably taken out after several cranks,not a few, before.I'm really disappointed with this scoot. it ran fine for the first month I owned it last year, quit with my wife and myself on it on the way to town and hasn't been right since!

[Alleyoop]

Ok, so if the plug is wet the enricher is working and feeding extra fuel. There are two items that will add to feeding to much fuel.
1. The Air Filter is dirty and that will restrict air and it will feed more fuel than air.
2. The Fuel Ratio mixture is set to RICH and would need to be leaned out.
Allleyoop

[sprocket]

Have you got spark on the plug ? Sometimes using the starter on a very low battery will draw power from the spark plug...happens only on DC CDI scooters...

Get a multimeter and check your stator voltages also...

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[chekingese]

One thing I had forgotten to mention before is that it will not fire while I'm cranking the starter ,but does fire sometimes just as I let off the starter or when I first touch the botton. I'm pretty much baffled. Larry

[Bashan]

You're right, that does sound like one of the safety systems acting up. I posted the Daelim manuals after you started your thread. If you can click on that link I provided and tell me exactly which bike you have I will slog through the wiring diagram and see if I can isolate a potential problem area. RIch

[chekingese]

I'm sorry but I neglected to say it is a 2005 daelim history s1 125 cc. My bad!

[chekingese]

The wiring diagram I have shows only one wire on the "safetys" side of the cdi but there are two the green w/wt tracer isn't shown.

[Bashan]

Here is the ignition system. You should have a black/blue running into the two plug. That is the power source for the CDI and the side stand up closes the safety switch for the DC current. Put the stand down and it opens the switch which stalls the scooter:

I have no idea why you have another wire in the two plug, you're right, it's not on the diagram. Your ignition switch does show a slot for a black/white killwire but it's not connected. You'll have to trace that other wire and see where it goes. If it runs to the ignition switch that could be part of the problem. You might try disconnecting it and see if it makes a difference, it might just be sitting there doing nothing. I have a feeling your side stand switch is your problem since the power to the CDI runs through it. If your bike is wired like this diagram, you shoul be able to bypass the side stand switch by connecting the black to the black/blue. That way the CDI will be powered when you turn the key on and the side stand will be out of the equation. Rich

[kz1000st]

my 2 wheeled money pit won't start electrically, starts sometimes kicking on first or second try but usually takes many,many more. Has spark even with the starter.

A stupid question. How old is the battery? It sounds to me like your spark is weak, especially the wet plug. I would replace the spark plug, maybe with one a heat range hotter after first charging up the battery and trying it with the charger still hooked up on the 10 amp setting.

[bcgreatness]

maybe you can also check your vac lines to see if your leaking any air. also i had a bad exp with the intake manifold boot ( the big thick gasket between the manifold and the engine head ) the factory had installed it half on. it only goes on 1 way. because if was half on, half of the boot was hanging in the middle of the intake port, causing very poor air flow. i would check that just for kicks. also there is a mod you can do to bypass the enricher but thats only recommended in warm regions close to sea level or at sea level ( florida lol ) you can take your enricher off ( not the top plug part ) but the whole piece the plug goes into. take that off, cut a gasket to fit all of the holes you will see when you remove the housing, then put your gasket there, and install the piece again, then you can remove the plug from the housing, and then remove the wire plug end from the wire harness. then you might want to readjust the carb. all the enricher is good for is starting. ive done the mod to mine and it starts off first start every time. no difference after long rides.

[Alleyoop]

Here is what BCGREATNESS is talking about:
Take a piece of gasket and cut it to cover all three holes and screw the cover back on. You can leave the enricher in there or take it off completely BUT you must unplug it.
Alleyoop