E Charm and other EFI 150CC scoots By imnts2 (Read 1,036 times)

[imnts2]

If you own any EFI 150CC GY 6 powered scoot, I would like to here about your experience with it's performance.

What is it's top speed? How does it compare with any stock 150 not Fuel Injected? Top speed as well are general riding?

What maintenance headache's have you had?

Dealers that sell them - how are the complaints compared to what you used to experience with non injected engines.

Please stay with 150's only

Thanks a lot.

[sprocket]

CfMoto E charms are nice, but I think EFI is lost on a 150cc...you will need a dealer or someone local to work on it

[Bashan]

The E Charm is not a GY6 engine, I don't care what anybody says. The plug is on the left side, it's water cooled, and the electricals are different. I've got a Pegasus which is the same motor without the EFI. Try buying standard Chinese parts for it and see how well they fit. Make no mistake, CF makes a great engine and bike and I'm sure the EFI Charm is fast as can be. Unless you're familiar with that engine you better go take a course. The parts are more expensive too. PM Cookees and ask him about them. He sells them and would give you a straightforward answer. Rich

[sprocket]

I agree Rich... the E Charm has a different engine and it is NOT a GY6 standard...what is with the left side plug anyway?

[imnts2]

You are right. An Echarm does not have a GY6 engine. thank you. MY bad.

I agree that most of us are not capable of fixing EFI no matter what it is on. The cheapest Ford or Kia, a small VW diesel, my Majesty or my Friends Honda Scoot. So I figure my 00 Subaru and my 05 Merc will probably go to one of my Friends when the EFI acts up. But at 170k and 120K without anything related to the power train needing service, that's OK. Worth it.

I absolutely agree I do not want to do though the mess many of us know about with a Hyosung M53 250CC scooter recently. EFT is sufficiently sensitive to poor electrical connections I would want to be very careful about it on any of the cheapest of the china scoots

But my success at getting early XJ6 EFI fixed (and that was amongst the most poorly built stuff I have ever had the pleasure of making a living with) leaves me pretty confident I can figure out most EFI and get it fixed. I do know I will be able to ask intelligent questions and how tell how competent my help is. And I have some great friends.

The XJ6 experience reminds me how great EFI and computer managed fuel and ignition steams are. Even as crude as early EFI was, those early EFI XJ6's suddenly ran like they were built 20 year earlier when gasoline was gasoline and engines were not emissionized out of 15% or more of their horsepower.

So it is my guess that with proper EFI. a 150cc (would be nice to have a 4 valve head) will run a great deal better than the best tuned stock 150 that will pass Fed emissons standards. Equal to a carefully upgraded 170 with a lot of high priced parts and labor and still be more reliable.

IF I can get a 150 that will reliable run near 70MPH and cruise 60, I am not sure I would not like that better than most behemoth 250's. ( and my 400)

I think that makes it worth at least careful consideration.

and that is what prompts this thread

Cheers
lefty2

[sprocket]

>>>IF I can get a 150 that will reliable run near 70MPH and cruise 60

You won't... you need at least a 180cc and even then it will beat itself to a early death...

Reliability and 60-70 speeds... a 250cc scooter or a motorcycle...

As the old saying goes... there is NO replacement for displacement...

[jct842]

I Keep saying it,.... a clone of a gy6 that was built 200cc from the ground up with the same low cost theme would be perfect to run on a 55mph road.

It will never happen because the only place it could sell well would be the US, other countries get by with a regular gy6 very fine.

Faster than 55 with reliability needs the 250 water cooled engines. john

[sprocket]

YUP YUP YUP jct842

The EFIs on these scooter are old throttle body technology...hardly state of the art. The biggest problem is not enough electrical power... 12 pole stator is just about mandatory...

Try this EFI for size.....how about a turbo too!

www.chinese-parts-canada.com/turbocharger_fuel_injection.html