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Post by kz1000st on Apr 2, 2013 7:50:40 GMT -6
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Post by davec on Apr 2, 2013 8:14:45 GMT -6
Since I started this post I can add up that if you think logically you are buying Vespa from a dealer you will spent 5000 and you will try to resell it after a year I'm not sure if anyone will like to spent 4500 for a year old one but even if they would. You loosing 500 after year of using it. But if you buy salvage title for 2000 dollars and you will try to resell it for 1500 so you loosing 500. The same value will be lost on both bikes. So what is the point of complaining if you don't think logically. Of course with all respect. I was and always will be honest to people who bought bikes from me and the worst thing is when people are trying to lie about title. We are in the business for a long time and my customers coming back but not with complains but with their relatives. CIAO i totally agree with greg. who cares about the salvage title?? if i can get a vespa for 2000, oh ill jump on it. , so cheap. i willl for sure buy a 2000 used vespa with a salvage title than a $4k worth of chinese Rocketa. jeeez!! 1. I forgot that Luke was the Chinese basher 2. The discussion was VESPAs - Salvage title as comparred to NON Salvage Title 3. I don't recall this thread being Salvage Vespas vs Rocketa 4. Luke, save your disdain for Chinese scoots for Alley 5. And, if anyone can find me a Trike,(not an RT or a Piaggo that still need to be balanced by someone with TWO feet/legs) for under 3999 let me know.
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Post by davec on Apr 2, 2013 8:19:35 GMT -6
Sorry, didn't mean to pick and choose. Just forgot I coulda copied the entire link vs one by one My Bad And, Yes, I agree, if you're buying the salvage scoot for YOU, and not with the intention of selling, then by all means, get the best bang for the buck. I was only trying to compare the resale value of salvage vs non salvage (I've had the same discussion on my Shadow forum) And, yes, I also buy to ride/drive/keep forever My GF gives me grief for all the sltuff I got in the house from the last 40 years of my travels around the world, cars I've had for 35 years, etc I resell nothing. so, I agree with ya and enjoy the new scoot, whatever you paid for it. Enjoy the Ride
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Post by LUKE on Apr 2, 2013 11:33:09 GMT -6
dave if you only bought a japanese scoot, we should not be having this discussions right now. and we shouldnt need a fixing forum like this because there's nothing to fix at all on a japanese scoots.. my goodness! japanese scooters: 90% pure riding 10% maintenance/little fixing here and there. chinese scooter: it's the other way around
am i right or am i right ?dave??
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Post by davec on Apr 2, 2013 13:07:52 GMT -6
I have three other japanese bikes, and I do little maint. But they cost 12,000 8,000 and 5,000 ($25K) (Goldwing/shadow/Magna) I paid 3999 for my chinese trike Zodiac. (of which I could buy 6+ for $25K) Me guessing me be $$$ ahead at the end anyhoo. Even if I blow an engine a year from now, I'll stll be money ahead. I may have to tighten a screw/nut/bolt occasionally, but, I do that on my cars also. But, as you are soo pro japanese and so anti chinese, we'll never agree. I'm not arguing. I agree Japanese are less maint, and higher cost And Chinese is lower cost, and nore maint, but parts are cheaperalso. So, we'll never agree Apples/orange Now, it's a nice...go ride
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Post by davec on Apr 2, 2013 13:09:54 GMT -6
dave if you only bought a japanese scoot, we should not be having this discussions right now. and we shouldnt need a fixing forum like this because there's nothing to fix at all on a japanese scoots.. my goodness! japanese scooters: 90% pure riding 10% maintenance/little fixing here and there. chinese scooter: it's the other way around am i right or am i right ?dave?? I have three other japanese bikes, and I do little maint. But they cost 12,000 8,000 and 5,000 ($25K) (Goldwing/shadow/Magna) I paid 3999 for my chinese trike ,of which I need a trike cause I'm handicapped and can't ride a two wheel scoot and a new goldwing trike costs 32K, a used trike costs 15 - 20K and I don't wanna spend that much right now. And there is no one else who makes a trike for less, except icebear. Now, the next argument is to buy a good used maxiscoot, and trike it, which puts me back at 10K. Or, spend 4 - 5K for a voyager kit, But spending 5K to trike a 3K used wing isn't cost effective. Me guessing me be $$$ ahead at the end anyhoo. Even if I blow an engine a year from now, I'll stll be money ahead. I may have to tighten a screw/nut/bolt occasionally, but, I do that on my cars also. But, as you are soo pro japanese and so anti chinese, we'll never agree. I'm not arguing. I agree Japanese are less maint, and higher cost And Chinese is lower cost, and nore maint, but parts are cheaperalso. So, we'll never agree Apples/orange Now, it's a nice day...go ride
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Post by jct842 on Apr 2, 2013 14:35:47 GMT -6
Sure wish cheap vespa's were available when I bought that majesty. It probably would have saved me a barrel full of cuss words and money when I had to tear into the top end and over haul it. I can't imagine any manufacture has ever made as poor a design for filtering air for the engine to breath. Vespa's are still the standard a scooter is judged against. and have a conventional flat or almost flat floor board. A 200,250, or 300 would have made me happy. I don't care what they call it but a majesty is not a real scooter. john
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Post by kz1000st on Apr 2, 2013 17:28:22 GMT -6
It probably would have saved me a barrel full of cuss words and money when I had to tear into the top end and over haul it.
Isn't there a Majesty forum too? How can that be when Yamahas don't have any problems. It must be awfully boring going to a forum and seeing "Well another 10,000 miles gone by. 200,000 miles and not a speck of trouble. Even the tires are original."
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Post by jct842 on Apr 2, 2013 23:15:36 GMT -6
I am not the only one who had a problem with the bad air intakes on that forum. They also used a flat seal gasket that does not seal well on the both airfilters. They use 2 filters, one each side that T together, each bigger than the one on my 3X sized 1200cc bandit. They have replaced the 4 flat seals with $20 some odd bucks worth of round o-ring type seals that actually compress recently/. The engine seems to be a high tech well designed power plant. Then yamaha gave it to some fools who stuffed it under all that crap plastic designed for looks rather than practicality that sucks "fresh air" from the dust that front wheel kicks up. Fine on a clean street or highway. All that extra filtration should tell us that they expected problems with the intake. Takes about 1 1/2 hours of stripping plastic to be able to see the engine. Then to top it all off dealers do not carry any parts at all, my oversized piston and rings were back ordered from japan, and the o-rings for rear caliper took 8 days to get at a local dealer!
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Post by LUKE on Apr 2, 2013 23:47:29 GMT -6
A famous scooter dealer here once said ...and i quote "Buy them as cheap as you can, find the cheapest parts . Ride em hard . They will break anyway" .... shet! what a logic!!! LOL
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Post by kz1000st on Apr 3, 2013 6:49:15 GMT -6
He's talking 150s which are puffed up 125s. A well prepped Chinese 250 will last as long as any Japanese 250. The 50cc models are all downsized 75cc engines and are just as reliable.
Remember I've owned both, Chinese and Japanese 250s. Both blew a transmission component. I'm glad you're having good luck with yours, but be careful. When the Mechanical Gremlin strikes you'll have to eat some serious Crow and it tastes terrible.
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Post by LUKE on Apr 8, 2013 12:17:13 GMT -6
i change my mind, id rather get a disposable chinese scooter. so if i crash, it wont hurt!! lol
hahaha --->
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Post by randy on Apr 8, 2013 14:37:46 GMT -6
A salvage scooter will never have the value of a non salvage scoot. It doesn't take much to total out a scoot. If you buy one with light damage and verify it with pics. before and after and if you bought it right and kept cost down you should be o.k. If you have a $1000 scooter and the wind blows it over and scratches or breaks a few panels it will porbably be totaled. I bought a Yamaha R1 that the owners mother backed up and knocked it over it got totaled by the insurance company . I bought it fixed it myself and made a couple thousand dollars off it.
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Post by ger42 on Apr 10, 2013 6:16:15 GMT -6
I'll be in New Britain next week maybe my brother will drive me over to see what you have.
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Post by kz1000st on Apr 10, 2013 6:23:26 GMT -6
Give him a call first or notify him on the e-mail. It was very informal when we did it.
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