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Post by justguy1 on Jun 28, 2013 17:33:04 GMT -6
Ok.. here is the next thing that is going to blow your mind...
ITS NOT THE IGNITION... I went back out to hook up the jumpers from the red to the black... And power came on.. nothing worked of course... but when I took the jumper off... POWER STILL ON.. Now the headlight is on... and the horn moves the speedodometer up and down like always.. and hit the START button.. and it all shuts down...
Now where are we....LOL... im ready to give up..
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Post by Alleyoop on Jun 28, 2013 17:42:23 GMT -6
Here is the ignition for a 250-54 scoot: See the wires going to the KEY SWITCH. If you unplug those and still have power then you have wires melted together. Alleyoop  |
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 28, 2013 17:50:27 GMT -6
Well that is it then.. because I have power with that unplugged
So now its a melted wire we have to find.... And that means taking Everything apart.. in order get to it.. I have to remove the whole front.. this is not looking fun...
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Post by Alleyoop on Jun 28, 2013 17:53:59 GMT -6
Good that we got that cleared up. Yea if stuff if getting juice with the IGNITION KEY CONNECTOR UNPLUGGED then it is getting juice from the RED WIRE someplace in the HARNESS. So Follow the RED THIN RED WIRE BACK and you will find it. Because the RED WIRE CARRIES THE JUICE to the KEY then the KEY feeds the rest of the system.
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Post by dragonsparks on Jun 28, 2013 18:40:39 GMT -6
Good that we got that cleared up. Yea if stuff if getting juice with the IGNITION KEY CONNECTOR UNPLUGGED then it is getting juice from the RED WIRE someplace in the HARNESS. So Follow the RED THIN RED WIRE BACK and you will find it. Because the RED WIRE CARRIES THE JUICE to the KEY then the KEY feeds the rest of the system. Alleyoop Ok Alley is telling you the Right of it. He will not purposely steer you wrong Now or ever. He Will pull your leg if he get's a chance But not in a situation like this. Like he said He's learning some of this to But I Personally feel he is right on this. Now look at it thusly here is a chance to learn more about your scoot. It's an adventure that will lead to you riding down the road with a Feeling you did it yourself. So maybe you gained some knowledge from new friend's, but you did the work yourself. Priceless!!!! THAT'S MY 2 cent's Dave PS bashan= Rich is IMO Flustered to Be cause he own this scoot & knows what He doing which is not only help you but to help other people in the future. You know Pay it Forward. |
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Post by vansmack2 on Jun 28, 2013 23:36:05 GMT -6
Good that we got that cleared up. Yea if stuff if getting juice with the IGNITION KEY CONNECTOR UNPLUGGED then it is getting juice from the RED WIRE someplace in the HARNESS. So Follow the RED THIN RED WIRE BACK and you will find it. Because the RED WIRE CARRIES THE JUICE to the KEY then the KEY feeds the rest of the system. Alleyoop That is basically what I said several post ago, so please start checking those wires starting with following that red wire from the positive battery post. justguy1 the wires coming from the switch are a cluster of wires (more than one wire), also know as a wiring harness. There will be several clusters of wires, or wiring harnesses, on your scooter. We are here to help, so good luck with finding the problem. I know from experience that electrical problems, such as shorts, can be the worst problems to have. |
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Post by Bashan on Jun 29, 2013 8:10:32 GMT -6
Hey Justguy1, you're right, you don't have a continuity function on that meter. However, set it for ohms and touch each end of the wire in question. If the wire is intact you'll get zero ohms or close to it. If the wire is broken, you'll get infinite resistance which will show as OL or over limit. So you can still use your multi for continuity. This can help find melted wires that are shorted together. If you put the probes at the ends of two wires that should not have continuity, yet the current gets through, there's your melt down. But I think your best course of action is to get the plastic off. I'd start with the front cowling because I think that's where the meltdown is. If you need help getting the plastic off let me know. I've had mine off several times and it's not that bad.
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 29, 2013 15:19:09 GMT -6
I will need help with the multimeter.. I don't use it and now sure what the settings are... Also Right now hesitant to be taking all the pieces off... requires messing with mirror and the windshield and the dash pieces. and all this is computer stuff and not sure if I want to mess with it and make it worse.. besides if I do find the melted wire how the heck am I gonna fix it.. So thinking about taking it somewhere where they know what they are doing .. and maybe finding out why this happened....
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Post by Alleyoop on Jun 29, 2013 15:40:20 GMT -6
Not a problem with the multimeter JUSTGUY, that is easy. But think about it a bit, taking it to the shop they are going to charge you a ton of money for labor. Fixing it once found is very easy nothing to it. But even if they find it right away WHICH I am sure they will they will time it in as 3-4 hours of labor and they will tell you finding electrical problems take time. If they are not one of the most honest shops I will bet the bill will be close to 400 dollars.
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 29, 2013 17:46:03 GMT -6
 OK I can't get my side panels off this will have to do |
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Post by Alleyoop on Jun 29, 2013 18:13:52 GMT -6
Look for wires that look burnt this one I pointed out looks burnt. Alleyoop  |
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 29, 2013 18:25:18 GMT -6
No its the picture. None of these wires are burnt or melted together.
OK here is something even crazier. I decided to change out the fuses. 10 amp. I connected the ignition plug back up. I turn the key on and same thing no blinkers etc. I take the fuse that says head out and now my dash lights up horn and blinkers still don't work. Then I take the other 10 amp out (I put the head one back in) and now my headlight comes on. What the hell is going on.....
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Post by Alleyoop on Jun 29, 2013 19:09:55 GMT -6
Did you look on the other side of the FUSE BOX the wires may be touching one another.
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 29, 2013 19:15:22 GMT -6
its too dark tonight.. Tomorrow I will take a picture of the fuse box so you can see the wires.. and will make a video of how its reacting..
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Post by Alleyoop on Jun 29, 2013 19:32:11 GMT -6
Justguy1,
knowing how it is reacting is not much help, we already know a wire or wires are making contact with each other or grounding out. You have to check the connections and look at the wires and make sure they are plugged in good and not burnt and or not touching each other.
It is a matter of checking the wires and finding the problem child. How it is acting is because of some bad wire or wires.
I do not believe anyone is going to tell which wire is the problem and were the problem is, you will have to do the checking of the wires.
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