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Post by bobf on Nov 24, 2011 17:03:32 GMT -6
Well I agree with your last statement. It is up to the buyer and seller to make that clear before transferring the money. I did not and ended up with the scoot I have which has a Honda clone engine. Had I made the seller tell me year of build and details on the motor I would likely not have ordered what I got. Since last February when I got my scoot I have learned a lot. Rather like what I have now.
But if I ever order again I will be a lot more careful with what I and the seller agree upon. That is part of the reason for my post. Had I been more alert I would have ordered the one with the Linhai clone and insisted on a much newer year of build. My 2008 build may have been sitting in a warehouse for over 3 years. Not the best thing in my opinion.
I should have ordered a specific model, not just the one with the best sale offer. They all look alike don't they? But the age and engines are different and I think the model numbers do make a difference.
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Post by bobf on Nov 24, 2011 13:48:23 GMT -6
A question about this nomenclature and engine type/size. I have a MC 54 250B and know what type of engine it has. I see many posts about the names of these scoots and what is in them and I don't really believe what I read. So in this post I am going to show and ask. I hope I am not offending anyone as I just want some clarity in what we have and what we say. First off I will use the Rocketa catalog for scooter types and the parts and names in the Rocketa parts manuals. Lets start with MC-54-250 (LJ4, L8Y) on my scoot it says MC-54-250B on the rear plastic panel and the identification papers, the certificate of origin. Now we look into the parts manual. www.roketa.com/product/2610/0/2658.shtml For the scooter www.roketa.com/product/parts_detail.jsp?partId=33096&partName=ENGINE%20ASSEMBLY%283%29The engine assembly. Shows the engine to be a verticle type. We are looking at the top of the engine. A vertical engine, the Honda clone. Next we will look at the following machine MC-54B-250 (5RY) www.roketa.com/product/2610/0/27312.shtml For the scooter. www.roketa.com/product/parts_detail.jsp?partId=30732&partName=ENGINE%20ASSEMBLY%283%29The engine assembly. Look to the orientation of the cylinder. We are looking at the horizontal engine. The Linhai clone. So with all this I think the definition is in the 54 part of the machine name. The 54 by itself is Honda clone engine and 54B is the Linhai clone engine. I have not yet found out what the B after 250 means but sure it has nothing to do with the engine type. OK, now I am ready for acceptance or challenge. I might need to learn something I don't understand so far.
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Post by bobf on Oct 8, 2011 17:45:16 GMT -6
Does your state have any re title permissions? Might try a search on that. Probably just take a few moments to find out. Can you find with dies what the original numbers might have been.? Or a tag somewhere else? Sure sounds like something wrong there. Which why I mentioned re titled if there is a new number put into the frame, maybe by a DMV person. .
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Post by bobf on Oct 8, 2011 17:37:03 GMT -6
Google 'cf moto fashion' and see what comes up. You may have a dealer close by, for parts and assistance. www.cfmoto-us.com/html/Product_item_desc.aspx?m_name=CF250T-F%20FASHION&classname=ScooterThis link is to CF Moto. I just did the Google and there were several dealers and parts places that came up with this CF Moto link. From this site you may be able to find a dealer. At the bottom border is a dealer locater that by state lists dealers. Give it a try. Welcome aboard. .
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Post by bobf on Sept 22, 2011 6:45:47 GMT -6
Just had a call from my Arizona real estate agent last evening. Sale finally approved after over 3 months delay. Packing today and leaving tomorrow for Arizona and the house inspection with closing expected on 14th October. Scoot will remain unfixed till I return and then I will probably just put it back together until after the move takes place. I think it must be a deeper tear down is required.
Thanks for your help so far. Anymore ideas will be welcomed. I will be watching the forums, just not working on the scoot for now. .
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Post by bobf on Sept 21, 2011 11:16:13 GMT -6
OK, I will try again. I posted here a while ago but it is not here now. Maybe I did not post it properly.
I tried to take of the left side panel. All told I took out 9 screws, not counting the 3 grab rail screws. Two at the top front, one behind the rider foot rest and one to the rear of that. Two to take a panel under the tail lights off, one under that panel that held the side panel. One at the top rear of the left panel and one at the rear top right panel. But the panel is still locked somehow and won't separate from the small panel above the tail lights. Any clues about what to do here would be appreciated.
With the panel loose I was able to get behind it and reset the adjuster to both extremes and still no action at the rear latch. More snooping required.
OK, at the front latch the cable that goes to the rear latch does not get activated when I turn the switch. So it must be loose, out of place, broken, but I can not tell. It appears that I will need to take off the rim piece around the under seat area in order to find out what is really wrong there. If so I will probably put everything back together and wait until we get moved and do a complete tear down for adjusting, lube, fixing, and whatever needs to be done.
Clues or help? .
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Post by bobf on Sept 20, 2011 17:27:04 GMT -6
Hey that sounds like good effort krotch. It seems like something worth trying. If that gets me to seeing and fixing what is wrong with the latches that will be good. Another thought for after we get moved to AZ.
And thanks to you grocerygetter, I never thought to look into Paint. I will give that a try. I will see if I can print your photo's. They look to be helpful to me. .
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Post by bobf on Sept 20, 2011 5:57:42 GMT -6
Once again, thanks for the information. From underneath looks to be a difficult thing to do. Especially for me. If I spend some time on my back working up I may never be able to get up again.
What product do you use to be able to tag your photo's as you do. I just did a couple of pamphlets (booklets) with OpenOffice but did not have that capability that I know of there. I have various graphics applications but they are all quite old. Maybe it is time to consider an upgrade. .
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Post by bobf on Sept 19, 2011 14:14:07 GMT -6
Thanks for all that info. But a question or two from me now.
1. Did you have to remove the key lock in order to remove the panel?
2. If it is just a adjustment of the cable do you need to take the side panel off or can you block it with a 2X4 to hold it open while doing the adjustment?
I really won't even try to work on it till we are finally located in Arizona. Which may be when ever the banks get around to it. I must move to lower altitude for my lungs. So in April we bid on a house and two weeks later we found out we were outbid by $60K. Then a backup on another party became useless as that deal went to the prior contract. Then on June 15 we put a contract on another house and we are still waiting for the bank to give us permission to buy the house. Amazing, 3 months for the lender to say yes or no, and we still wait.
For a few years I was a licensed Realtor and I have never seen anything so messed up as that in Arizona. One big problem is the government, as they created this mess and they continue to mess with it rather than let it find bottom and start a real recovery. Of course the government blames it on the banks but the government, through Freddie and Fannie, told them to lend with no justifications.
Lots of good deals available but be patient as so many are lender owned, short sales, bankruptcies in action. Very sad for the ones losing their homes. Extending their misery by the government meddling is no help either.
You are right about the time to tear down. If I do that I will likely do other things like flush and fill the radiator again, lube change, maybe take out the gas tank and see what I might find in it. Hose checks and changes, PDI things I short cutted in March of this spring. Pretty cold and windy so I could only take a couple hours a day when the garage had warmed a bit. So a tear down will likely be a lot more than just adjust the lock cables. But if that could be done with just removing the upper body screws and blocking the panel out so I could work on it, that might be something I could try first.
I will watch for your photo's. .
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Post by bobf on Sept 19, 2011 9:13:43 GMT -6
Thanks for the inputs. Seems to be an agreement that the cables are the problem. I just won't know what I have until I get to the tear down. Another month or two away.
Rocketa shows 2 cables in their part list, one long one and one a bit shorter. The long one looks to have a setup for a Y connection and the shorter one is just one length.
I am sure those photo's will give me a clue to what might be happening on my scoot. .
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Post by bobf on Sept 18, 2011 17:27:22 GMT -6
Spent some time looking at the seat latches. I noticed the seat clamping hooks are molded in so nothing to adjust there. Used a flashlight and looked down into the latch areas. The side latch shows a spring stretching and some metal parts moving when I turn the key in the lock. The rear latch does not move. I can see the cable and an end container lead on the cable but it does not move at all when I turn the key in the lock. So I assume at this point that the cable is broken or maybe just disconnected from the lock itself.
Certainly a covers off operation just to see the problem and then to determine what to do. So I will leave it be until I get my move to Arizona completed. Then I will remove the trunk, the deck, the side cover, just to see what must be wrong. At least it won't be freezing down there. Up here I don't have a heated garage and the wife won't let me bring it into the living room. .
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Post by bobf on Sept 18, 2011 5:47:02 GMT -6
Thanks for the input. The latch bars are on the seat and the latches are on the frame with the plastics in between. So to me it must be a covers off situation if redirecting the cables, or even seeing if the cables are attached. Maybe washers under the seat latching bars would help. Will take a look at that possibility. .
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Post by bobf on Sept 17, 2011 13:39:56 GMT -6
MC 54 250 244cc Honda clone
This question has been asked more than once but I have not been able to find any answers. I did use search.
Seat latch adjustments. I noticed on my scoot that the seat does latch on the side but not at the back. I looked at it but don't even see what part of the latch I need to fiddle with. I turn the key with the seat up but nothing is moving so I have no clue.
If this is another of those remove the covers situations that is OK. I can hold the information till my next tear down session. Which I suppose I will need to do to aim the headlights, redo fluids, whatever.
So back to the seat latch adjustments. If anyone has had to fix the rear latch I would like a bit of information please. .
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Post by bobf on Sept 1, 2011 13:17:10 GMT -6
Where did you buy the scoot? If a dealer or importer they may have a parts department. Otherwise you might go to the Rocketa site and find your scoot then link to the parts section that shows you the part number. Once you have the part number you could then search for a distributor with a parts department. I am sure someone here would have a parts distributer for your needs. www.roketa.com/product/productlist/2610.shtmlGeneral site. www.roketa.com/product/product_support.jsp?cateID=2610&sonCateID=0&proID=22360If this is your machine then click down to see the parts diagrams and find the covering parts assembly and click on that view to enlarge it. The windshield would be number three. Below that would be the parts list and possible price. Unfortunately they have the part number in Chinese rather than numbers. Good luck. .
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Post by bobf on Aug 31, 2011 17:26:01 GMT -6
Where did you purchase from? They may have a parts department. .
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