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I can tell you this I talked to the DMV here in Florida and anyone who sells vehiles must have title in hand before they sell the vehile or they will come down on them. They MUST give you the tile AT the TIME OF SALE IF PAID IN FULL but that is Fl. Talked to them yesterday. And according to ICEBEARS dealer agreement anyone you seels their product must have a B&M building and service dept. So you can figure out the rest I have the aggreement here. Icebear nears to crack down on everyone who is not doing that

Jim then why the 150cc single cylinder does not have as much vibration,is it because it is smaller? What you think of the balance the fly wheel? A dealer told me that when they copied the engine the degree of the cylinder is not the same as the orignal one they copied and that is why it has so much vibration. The proof would be to see and run a Real Lindai from Yamaha and see if it vibrates as much. Have you every worked on the real deal?

So I guess the Tornando and Compeller will be awhile till they get updated. A padded seat, dual exhaust and frame change. 2 to 3 times more comlicated then before can't wait to see what they did there. Still going with a chain Jim or don't know.

Good Luck

I wish Honda and Kaw and the rest would make a small tryke like Icebear. I would pay the extra for product knowing i am getting something worth more then $279 in Kelly Blue Book for a 2011! At least Honda and the rest hold some value After seeing that and when I finally get a bike I am not even going to put theft and collision on it. What do you guys think of that will it pay?
By the way Jim any word on the 300's, is Harry back?

I mean I think it would be great for a new owner who just buys a bike. He can go to that and see the different problems that have come and hopefully gone through time without going crazy. Also Alley what do you think about what I said about Icebear doing the PDI. Do you really think a bunch of workers are going to go through that bike like Jim would? I can just see them driving all over the parking lot with handlebars shaking and trannies jumping out of gear. They won't change the front or rear tire, balance them or change a hub. Wrap,Pack and Ship!! What they really need is what Hyndi did and get quality control going

I am looking for a tryke. I have read almost every post on here and the Dawg about the problems between the 150 and the 300
Their is no doubt in my mine that I will have to work the kinks out of either one. But I would like to know when the 300cc had the straight axle did it have as many problems as it does now with the independent rear? I have read the PDI setup that pretty much goes through the scooter but even with doing that the problems arise, mostly because of the tires. Are the 150 tires as bad as the 300's or is it because of the different rears that it is not felt as bad on the 150? What I would like to see is if possible a NEW update that would tell us new buyers about the other things that have developed since they first came came out. I am amazed that Icebear has really not taken care of some of the problems by changing vendors instead of just sending out parts for the customer to replace with a hit and miss type of deal. As far as their NEW PDI that they now offer I don't believe it will take care of the problem. I have not read anywhere that they will road test them to see if there is any shaking and vibration problems, has anybody heard that ? Well I am waiting to see if the problems with the 300 are taken care of and if not I know with the help this forum gives any problem can be fixed. I just thought a review of things to watch out for in a thread would be good.