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Post by new2scootn on Oct 26, 2012 22:53:53 GMT -6
Welcome, kyhillbilly. Like alley said, real good to have another triker on board, ESPECIALLY a REVERSE triker! And don't forget justincrediblem--he's just been a little quiet lately...
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 26, 2012 8:50:38 GMT -6
Almost forgot, thanks justbuggin...
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 26, 2012 1:04:00 GMT -6
Daddue, that's exactly the sound they would make... before. If you block up the front end to lift the front wheels off the ground you can spin them and apply the brakes then see if they spin free after releasing. My right brake handle would actually pull in farther the first squeeze after pulling the left--now it doesn't do that either. I guess I may be a unique case as far as the problems with this trike go. I knew going in that there may be problems to sort out, I had done my research. I knew this was a relatively new design and maybe wouldn't have all the bugs out of it yet. And I knew that the quality(and quality control) might be lacking, but I was willing to take the chance in order to have a unique vehicle that I could tinker with and maybe end up with something I really enjoy at a price thousands less than anything close(any reverse trike that is). And call me strange, but I actually LIKE working through these problems, finding solutions, and then at the end of the day(or days) getting to ride a head-turning vehicle with very unique handling characteristics... fun. Not that I am prepared to overhaul/rebuild the engine or reweld the frame. That's why I'm really curious to know just what happened to your trike. Hopefully it's something that can be repaired/replaced/revised without tearing the whole trike apart for welding work. Oh yeah, you commented on how your tach is let's say... less than accurate. Mine doesn't register either at idle but once it's above say 15 or 20 mph(sorry to rub it in, not sure what kph would be!) it seems fairly accurate and does not drop out while riding. You may have an issue with the pick up at the rear wheel or maybe if you get that new speedo head reading in mph that will solve it. If you want to see a REALLY nice trike(and really expensive) check out the Hagane Japanese trike. Or my personal favorite and truly unique vehicle the Italian Quadro 4D. Now THAT'S impressive!
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 24, 2012 9:25:29 GMT -6
Ok Justin, those speedometer/tachometer readings sound about right(I've still got to finish some brake work on mine so didn't run her up to compare yet). So correct me if I'm wrong alleyoop but I think that means one of four things: cvt belt is slipping, variator weights are too light, clutch main torque spring is too stiff, or the engine is gutless. Since three of the four revolve around the transmission, I would start by taking the cvt belt cover off and having a look. You can watch how the belt and pulleys operate while running the trike on the center stand and look for the belt to rise to the top of the variator and fall to the bottom of the clutch pulley. Only thing is it sounds like your're only having this problem under load so maybe applying the rear brake(A LITTLE) while maintaining a specific speed will show if the belt is slipping. If you're not sure what this is supposed to look like check out the awesome video links from the cvt section in the library of this forum.
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 24, 2012 1:57:26 GMT -6
A few days ago I opened a thread asking if anyone knew anything about linked brakes. Due to the limited response I got(only jct842 commented) I'm guessin' not many of you are familiar with them or their operation. Well neither was I but I had to figure out why my front brakes would hang up after applying them with the right brake lever and then would completely release after applying the left brake lever. So I removed the proportioning(?) valve from my Sunny Roadrunner trike to see if I could figure out (a) how the damn thing works! And (b) why the hell it's not workin' right! Well I'm pretty sure I found the answer to both questions and in the process uncovered a serious and potentially dangerous lack of quality control. So here's the contraption as it looks on the trike. Off the trike... With top jam nut removed revealing spring loaded brass perforated cup(proportioning?)... A little better detail of that brass cup with it partially removed... And here with it fully removed. If you look close, you can see the first problem I found. Beginning to remove the brass fitting... And wth? is that piece of garbage in the center port? Ooohhh... it's just a glob of metal shavings from the machining process. No worries having metal shavings/filings and God knows what other kind of crap in your brake lines...(why did I buy Chinese? Oh yeah, I'm cheap AND a glutton for punishment.) Ok, now we get to the meat of this potato--the main plunger/piston/valve or whatever you want to call it. I think this one is self explanatory... Oh look, another clogged port, yay! So I removed all of this metal shaving garbage, filed off the burrs, cleaned every part thoroughly to remove any foreign material(pun intended), and put it all back together. I haven't had a chance to refill the system and bleed it yet though, but I sure think that these partially clogged ports were the source of my problems. And if I am understanding how this thing works then when the right brake lever is squeazed this will apply ONLY the front brakes. When the left brake lever is applied it will apply the rear brake primarily but depending on how aggressively you're stopping it will also start to push that piston against the spring tension which will force the fluid into the front brake lines and apply the front brakes(just not as hard as the rear brake). The part I understand the least is that spring loaded brass "cup" thing in the fitting where the right brake lever line attaches. Maybe it's a one-way valve? I don't know why but I just like to understand how AND why things work... oh yeah, that's right, it's because I'm cheap and my labor is cheap. And if I understand it I'm more likely to be able to fix it. ;D Just spent the last four hours refilling the brake fluid in the trike and bleeding the air out only to find that getting all that garbage out of the proportioning valve did absolutely nothing toward fixing the problem with the front brakes hanging up. A bit of harsh language helped to get me refocused. As I mentioned above I really didn't understand what that brass "cup" things purpose was but now I do... to screw up otherwise normally operating brakes! The more I got to thinking about how these brakes work the more I felt like that "cup" might be the problem. So I figured I'd just remove it and see what happened. What happened was now the brakes work perfectly. Right brake lever operates front brakes only and now releases immediately, and left brake lever applies the rear brake and then the fronts with increased pressure. So the "cup" and the spring were a type of one-way valve only needed in the head of whoever the engineer was that the Chinese copied it from! Oh yeah, speaking of extra parts, guess what the UPS man dropped off today? My new fuel tank has finally arrived!(LOL!) Sure glad I haven't been down for the count in the mean time! Biggest surprise is that the new fuel tank came with a cap, drain bolt, AND a brand new level sensor! Never expected that--figured if it was free it would be ONLY the part I needed. Definitely gonna bag and tag it and file it for future reference!
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 23, 2012 21:29:45 GMT -6
Hey Justin, just to establish a baseline, let me know what your speedometer reads at various rpms up to redline with your trike on the center stand. I'll compare with mine and that might let us know if it's a problem with the tranny(slipping or stretched belt, or variator not variating(is that even a word?), or with power delivery(aka engine or carburetor). Oh yeah, great to hear you're back on the road without the shakes! Now we've gotta get daddue fixed up and back out there too.
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 20, 2012 12:32:06 GMT -6
Sure glad to hear he got the vibration licked. Did he say if he adjusted in some toe? I mean if he spent that much time on the repairs I'm sure he made notes of the adjustments so he could repeat them if needed. Just curious.
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 20, 2012 8:23:19 GMT -6
Soooooo... what was the "magic number" Any parts replaced?
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 17, 2012 14:53:26 GMT -6
Anybody know anything about linked brakes?? My new trike(a Sunny Roadrunner MC_D300TKB) has linked brakes and when I squeeze the right brake lever(which applies the front brakes almost exclusively) they hang up after releasing the lever(not completely hanging up but still dragging). If I squeeze the left brake(which applies mostly the rear brake along with some front) then release, this will release the fronts. System is all hydraulic-no cables. Master cylinder on each handle bar with lines going to a (proportioning?) valve then to each of the three wheels. I figure there's something hanging up in this valve but don't know what it looks like inside and sure would like a few pointers or suggestions if anybody has any. If a picture would help I can post one later.
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 12, 2012 23:11:41 GMT -6
Great news about your new employee daddue! Liberty can wait, sounds like you have much more important stuff to handle right now. None of us have been ridin' our trikes--you and Justin are down for repairs and mine's apart in the garage! Hope to get her back on the road tomorrow though. Get the shelters taken care of and let us know when you can about Liberty.
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 12, 2012 8:29:31 GMT -6
Sure hope you get good news and get her all fixed up Justin. Hey daddue, you ever figure out what "let go" on Liberty?
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 11, 2012 20:52:06 GMT -6
Check for bent valves? Also if valves are not timed properly you wont have compression. Liquid does not compress-wreaks havoc when gets into piston.
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 10, 2012 12:19:19 GMT -6
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 8, 2012 7:27:46 GMT -6
Hey Justin, I think the guy at the repair shop is wrong about aligning the wheels "to a certain degree". These things ain't no four wheelers or even normal three wheelers. Since they tilt. Tow in, camber, not a factor here because the wheels tilt. They need to be perfectly parallel to one another so they act as one(like a single wheel up front) and don't fight each other. Hope they fix 'er up right for ya.
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Post by new2scootn on Oct 6, 2012 20:20:37 GMT -6
Thanks pal. Lookin' forward to seeing what you find with yours. And I wonder what's been up with Justin, he's been awful quiet the last couple of days...
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