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scoot,Alleyoop FOUND THE PROBLEM,took the cvt apart to degalaze the clutch and weigh the rollers found little or no glaze,but after inspecting the rollers I found most of them had flat spots on them .lucky I had a good used set from a friends scooter that up graded to siders same weight 12grams put them in no more chater .thanks for your help I probable won't have gone that far into the cvt with out your suggestion.one more ? does the 12gram rollers sound about right.its a 150cc scooter and I'm about 195lbs.thanks again.

I'm getting what feels like clutch chater when I first start to move once I go about 20 feet it stops and every thing is fine.is this a problem or just the way cvt's work.thanks in advance.

scoot,cyborg LOVE ebay, what exactly do they call this tool so I know what to ask for.thanks again

scoot,cyborg Thanks I'm familiar with the name ,can you order them over the net or do you have to go though a dealer?thanks in advance.

kz1000st,DrRocco,cyborg,drahken,rks,steelblade,Bashan,richardv,cookees I'm kind of new to the scooter scene but not the motorcycle scene. I now have over 5000 mile on my 2008 chinese scooter which I bought used for 500.00 bucks. other than a few electrical problem it's been a great ride for the money. I don't think you can beat them.I've looked at the big 4 scooters and personally I think there butt ugly, they may be higher quality but at over 3 times the cost they should be .if I was going to spend that kind of money, I'd just buy a motorcycle and be done with it .true the chinese scooters have some problems, but if you have any mechanical ability and can turn a wrench  scooters are pretty simple to work on,and if you don't have these abilities maybe you should just go back to driving a car .I've been riding two wheeled vehicles for many years and I've yet to see a scooter or for that matter a motorcycle that didn't break down at one time or other. and when your out in the middle of no where and you break down those mechanical abilities come in pretty handy.so instad of blaming the scooter maybe you should first ask yourself is it the chinese at fallit or mine.later

@borninabarn,Bashan,adamhoyer,scoot,cyborg,jct842 glad you finally got the hut off ,as i said before I had to grind the nut off myself but you had to be very careful not to destroy the threads on the shaft, your more of a mechanic than I thought,thumbs up .your going to do well.good luck in the future. later.

@borninabarn,Bashan Bashan is right you need a impact driver,but I know some of you don"t have a air compressor to run one and if you do have a compressor it may be too small ,here's a tip buy a electric impact driver,harbor freight has them for around 40.00 bucks,well worth the cost.and you may need it if you ever what to remove the clutch bell nut. I ran into this same problem and had to grind the nut off,but I wouldn't suggest you do that  I'm a retired mechanic so I have  experience with problems like this .I made my own locking tool out of a  pieces of steel strap and some bolts and nuts ,if your stock fan is like mine it has two 10mm holes in it. just take a piece of strap drill two hole in it the same distance apart as the holes in your fan and thread a bolt thru  the holes with a nut on each side of the strap to whole  the bolts  in place .now place the strap with the bolts into the holes in your fan if you make your strap long enough to hit the ground when the scooter is on it's center stand you won't even have to hold it when you loosen the nut.hope this helps I don't know if I explained it very well ,maybe I need pictures but it's pretty sample. and it works very well .when I reinstall my variator I don't use a impact gun .I use a torque wrench  my scoot calls for 35 foot pounds yours maybe different.I do this so I don't have to use a impact to remove the nut the next time, I want to work on the variator. I can remove the nut with just a breaker bar. again I hope this helps.