Overall Chinese scooter quality - - - Discuss By kevinharrell (Read 3,571 times)

[drahken]

this isnt what this topics about.

and you guys keep making the statement of not knowing nothing about a scooter thats why you tear them up or, oh its great to learn on.

or something....

here, was an excuse i used to buy a chinese scooter to start with. becuase it was put together then i didnt have to know nothing about it to fix it, cuase it worked.

and you say you'll learn working on them. you dont learn much of nothing from bikes that strip everything you touch on them.

and you say you dont have to know nothing about them like you would another scooter to buy it. .....

becuse its new... junk is junk. and if you cant buy a new scooter, there isnt a whole lot you have to know to buy a used scooter. there are some things. and youd have to go through it, but go through a used bike like from japan or a chinese bike. brand new. see which you find more problems with.

this topics about the difference if you dont like that then leave the forum.

im just stating my difference what i know about them.  what it takes to know the difference, and how to fix something.  I had a lemon scooter.

I'm here to learn anything, apply it to my ..oh well im using the forum.  I'm reading.  I can help whenever.  But from reading usually chinese carburetors have small particles in them that need gone over to get them running, not replacing.  and its not the topics where people go the screw is covered up you guys tell them, buy a new carb.  its the ones where they have fuel dleivery issues. i just said that.  your reply was a fallacy reply to mine.  your saying a generalized statement and not responding to the actual information i told.  to try to make me look stupid to get everyone to listen to you.  the responses to buy another carb isnt on teh fuel delivery isssue topics.  you don't reply with clean the carb out.  if someones carb doesnt run you respond to them to replace it.  why would you want to do that?  there .. fixable cleanable rebuildable then you the only idea i can think of for that is that you sell them.

this is your chinese scooter deal.  that you get.  i wouldnt bother with chinese.  if you do, may lose 700 dollars people with only 700 dollars and not enough for a better bike, dont have that kind of money to throw away. 

I dont like being on forums when I try to help you guys insist the person, replaces a rebuild item.  for every fuel delivery issue topic.  I read that all the time on chinese scooter forums.  Any, so dont even tell me its over something else.  If you feeli like challenging that, find the few very few posts that are replied to replace the carb over screws covered with a brass tab, and i'll hunt down the fuel delivery ones.  cause i stopped coming to chinese forums after my bike got stole.  but when i came back, thats all I read.  You guys must sell the things and you make me sick.   You've only recently started telling people to change them out over brass plugs covering screws, but its usually you trying to talk them into it.

this is a discussion.  telling me to leave is like OH yea thats right the guy earlier saying this topic was talkied about up and down.  and he lied about the cost of scooters to try to push the chinese crap quality down everybody's throats. SO STOp.  people aint gonna buy these bikes and someone has something to lose in it that's all that i can see, the reason why you won't keep your mouths shut about the bikes.  A taiwan scooter doesnt cost 3 or 4 thousand, they cost 2 thousand. 

after combinb either a used or new 700 dollar either chinese or used japanese or taiwan bike, around that cost, you either a get a good buy on a used, high quality bike.  or you get a chinese bike new. 

thats really all this arguement boils down too.  if you know what to look for youll strike a deal on a used quality controled bike.  but you'll lose out at least 2x or 3x more on the chinese bike.  takes a little time to know what to look for an youd really have to look at a bike to find the problems too.  but i think it can be done easier than the methods i knoW IM A NOOB

[drahken]

im also biased against 4-strokes and yamahas. so theres the whole chinese market. except for a little. so. there. but you get pot metal no warranties from china and you get quality made stuff and wear items with a used. you pick, and you can test wear items yourself. also mileage

[Deleted]

Dec 20, 2014 18:01:22 GMT -6 drahken said:

this isnt what this topics about.

and you guys keep making the statement of not knowing nothing about a scooter thats why you tear them up or, oh its great to learn on.

or something....

here, was an excuse i used to buy a chinese scooter to start with. becuase it was put together then i didnt have to know nothing about it to fix it, cuase it worked.

and you say you'll learn working on them. you dont learn much of nothing from bikes that strip everything you touch on them.

and you say you dont have to know nothing about them like you would another scooter to buy it. .....

becuse its new... junk is junk. and if you cant buy a new scooter, there isnt a whole lot you have to know to buy a used scooter. there are some things. and youd have to go through it, but go through a used bike like from japan or a chinese bike. brand new. see which you find more problems with.

this topics about the difference if you dont like that then leave the forum.

people that don't know anything usually are the ones that buy them because they are cheap. college students, teenagers, etc. theres a junkyard near where I live and you see tons of em there from time to time with >1500mi on em that have no oil in em or sludge that I wouldn't call oil. they almost always have a college parking pass stuck to the back fender. theyre gas-n-go vehicles to these type of people. they don't know to check oil or get it changed. basic things. no engine (jap or otherwise) is going to stand for that very long. a couple of them I have bought and got running. the jonway came from the junkyard with over 3000mi and it had sludge looking stuff stuck to the dipstick. I bet it never had a oil change. still runs, smokes a little but it runs. it had sat so long that there was dirt with roots in it in the belt case. I took it home and figured out the wiring to get spark and it runs.

I have a 88 Yamaha razz. it is fun (not) to work on and the parts are overpriced. it has 8000mi on it so I guess ill give it that. I have had the carb on &off so many times. to adjust the mixture you have to take all the bodywork off the back and the air box. anyone who has worked on 2t stuff knows that if it has an airbox and you remove it then it wont run right so adjusting it correctly isn't easy. the Yamaha has a cheap feel to it and the frame is a lot less substantial then the Chinese scoot I have. the front forks aren't shocks, just springs. the Chinese unit I have actually has shocks that you can change the fluid in. the razz gets about half the mileage of the GY6 unit even though they tout that it will get 70-100mpg. I bet I was getting closer to 50. the GY6 unit will do a consistent 80 and above depending on hills.

there you wanted a comparison and you got it. go buy your Honda and have fun. got nothing against Honda or other jap stuff, just certain people

[richardv]

This is sounding like a perfect posting for that new board. Don't ya think.

[cyborg]

I got lost after the threatening me statement,,,

[scoot]

kz1000st,DrRocco,cyborg,drahken,rks,steelblade,Bashan,richardv,cookees I'm kind of new to the scooter scene but not the motorcycle scene. I now have over 5000 mile on my 2008 chinese scooter which I bought used for 500.00 bucks. other than a few electrical problem it's been a great ride for the money. I don't think you can beat them.I've looked at the big 4 scooters and personally I think there butt ugly, they may be higher quality but at over 3 times the cost they should be .if I was going to spend that kind of money, I'd just buy a motorcycle and be done with it .true the chinese scooters have some problems, but if you have any mechanical ability and can turn a wrench  scooters are pretty simple to work on,and if you don't have these abilities maybe you should just go back to driving a car .I've been riding two wheeled vehicles for many years and I've yet to see a scooter or for that matter a motorcycle that didn't break down at one time or other. and when your out in the middle of no where and you break down those mechanical abilities come in pretty handy.so instad of blaming the scooter maybe you should first ask yourself is it the chinese at fallit or mine.later

[tvnacman]

I will say this , back in 1988 I bought a 1980 Honda Passport . I had almost daily little problems to work out . I paid $550 for it at the dealer .
I bought two chinese scooters in January 2010 . I thought the price was too good to be true . Even when I got the scooters , then I had to get them titled . When I got my plates at DMV I said to the guy at the window . I was not sure I was going to be able to get them titled .

Then I started to try to ride them , that is when I learned real fast . The cost is just enough to keep one interested . Then just enough ride time not to give up on them .

John

[JR]

Dec 20, 2014 19:37:53 GMT -6 cyborg said:

I got lost after the threatening me statement,,,

What stood out to me is telling anyone here to leave the forum. Don't mind a great debate, even a passion filled one, even a respectful argument, respect all opinions but when it turns to insults and telling someone to leave I draw that big line in the sand and then who leaves or stays is up to the administration here.

Lot's of good points in this thread and let's keep it that way.

JR

[JR]

Dec 20, 2014 18:26:36 GMT -6 richardv said:

This is sounding like a perfect posting for that new board. Don't ya think.

No sir everyone there is being polite and we can here too. Thanks for trying hard to keep it that way, your efforts are appreciated.

JR

[rapidjim]

Dec 20, 2014 18:01:22 GMT -6 drahken said:

this isnt what this topics about.

and you guys keep making the statement of not knowing nothing about a scooter thats why you tear them up or, oh its great to learn on.

or something....

here, was an excuse i used to buy a chinese scooter to start with. becuase it was put together then i didnt have to know nothing about it to fix it, cuase it worked.

and you say you'll learn working on them. you dont learn much of nothing from bikes that strip everything you touch on them.

and you say you dont have to know nothing about them like you would another scooter to buy it. .....

becuse its new... junk is junk. and if you cant buy a new scooter, there isnt a whole lot you have to know to buy a used scooter. there are some things. and youd have to go through it, but go through a used bike like from japan or a chinese bike. brand new. see which you find more problems with.

this topics about the difference if you dont like that then leave the forum.

im just stating my difference what i know about them.  what it takes to know the difference, and how to fix something.  I had a lemon scooter.

I'm here to learn anything, apply it to my ..oh well im using the forum.  I'm reading.  I can help whenever.  But from reading usually chinese carburetors have small particles in them that need gone over to get them running, not replacing.  and its not the topics where people go the screw is covered up you guys tell them, buy a new carb.  its the ones where they have fuel dleivery issues. i just said that.  your reply was a fallacy reply to mine.  your saying a generalized statement and not responding to the actual information i told.  to try to make me look stupid to get everyone to listen to you.  the responses to buy another carb isnt on teh fuel delivery isssue topics.  you don't reply with clean the carb out.  if someones carb doesnt run you respond to them to replace it.  why would you want to do that?  there .. fixable cleanable rebuildable then you the only idea i can think of for that is that you sell them.

this is your chinese scooter deal.  that you get.  i wouldnt bother with chinese.  if you do, may lose 700 dollars people with only 700 dollars and not enough for a better bike, dont have that kind of money to throw away. 

I dont like being on forums when I try to help you guys insist the person, replaces a rebuild item.  for every fuel delivery issue topic.  I read that all the time on chinese scooter forums.  Any, so dont even tell me its over something else.  If you feeli like challenging that, find the few very few posts that are replied to replace the carb over screws covered with a brass tab, and i'll hunt down the fuel delivery ones.  cause i stopped coming to chinese forums after my bike got stole.  but when i came back, thats all I read.  You guys must sell the things and you make me sick.   You've only recently started telling people to change them out over brass plugs covering screws, but its usually you trying to talk them into it.

this is a discussion.  telling me to leave is like OH yea thats right the guy earlier saying this topic was talkied about up and down.  and he lied about the cost of scooters to try to push the chinese crap quality down everybody's throats. SO STOp.  people aint gonna buy these bikes and someone has something to lose in it that's all that i can see, the reason why you won't keep your mouths shut about the bikes.  A taiwan scooter doesnt cost 3 or 4 thousand, they cost 2 thousand. 

after combinb either a used or new 700 dollar either chinese or used japanese or taiwan bike, around that cost, you either a get a good buy on a used, high quality bike.  or you get a chinese bike new. 

thats really all this arguement boils down too.  if you know what to look for youll strike a deal on a used quality controled bike.  but you'll lose out at least 2x or 3x more on the chinese bike.  takes a little time to know what to look for an youd really have to look at a bike to find the problems too.  but i think it can be done easier than the methods i knoW IM A NOOB

Carb Repair scooterdoc.proboards.com/board/22/air-fuel-carb

[Bashan]

Dec 20, 2014 18:01:22 GMT -6 drahken said:

You guys must sell the things and you make me sick.

Nodody on the staff makes ANY money off of the forum in any way. We don't sell parts or bikes or advice, it's ALL volunteer. It's all opinion so lighten up. The tile ad supporters buy you, the members, Google ad free viewing, we don't make any money. You need to take it down a notch or two, it's a discussion forum. Rich

[drahken]

yea well then the first thing is to not say a topic isn't and shouldnt be discussed becuase its been talked about up and down and backwards cuase the whole conversation is you guys trying to pat each other on your backs to pretend YOU have A POINT. you don't. the conversation was a few people with a coupole of positives they liked about chinese scooters. all opinions. some guy was arguing and you guys where arguing with him. when i came in and made a point. they suck, not only my opinion they suck in general. you tell the topic to be ended its been discussed and make an outrageos lie on syms. oh i was wrong about that amount he said. its not the 3-4000 its 4-5000 thousand he said. and the only difference between OTD between chinese and syms. lets get this straight.
is tax, anything else is there, its a feature anyway. forget it. if you wanted that on that chinese bike youd have to pay the same amount. so i dont see the point. the only difference is syms, normally dont sell out of a flea market with no tax. but no tax means, usually a few things, imported illegaly, won't find the seller when you turn back around. so theres a few good things about the OTD about a sym, i guess.

then im pretty much threatened with all i can get is chinese, after all these points i made. i get upset and you tell me pretty much to leave or something? cause i just kept the conversation going on to begin with, it was dead. you guys where trying to fight with someone who was arguing and patting each other backs to make up the fake thing that chinese scooters are worth a crap. you didnt make points only attacked that guy. i made a good point. then you all say lets stop the discussion. your right its a discussion forum maybe thats what you should do.

the only agendas you guys have is destroying the american manufacturing. oh the cost of paying workers for things that doesnt matter and shouldnt even be there, besides being paid good wages. to do good work. youve not made an opinion one way or the other and i find it insulting and also on par with these topics you'd go off on me when im the only one making much points. and ive been countering any points anyone comes up with saying chinese are good. so people know. but here i am being threatened by admins and i cant even figure out what some are saying. but your user already said stop the topic and stop discussion because of his outrageous lies. you guys keep up the outragoeusness. ive made a point about any real subjects of this topic. im through with it. glad we had this discussion. and if someone else comes up with another.. wait. let me make another before i leave. ermmm. oh yea if your gonig to have to rebuild something anyway why not do it with quality parts, it odesnt matter either way. one will last, and not break in half. get something wortha crap, no reason to get chinese.

all the lies about japanese quality, noone can say anything bad about the 1960-70 honda cub. how far back do we got to go before we get to early age cars?

and that price tag is .. its double and almost 2.5x what the real cost is really.

pot metal. compare it with other chinese products.

you can tell bad chinese metal, bend it back once, itll about break if it doesnt crack on you. at least something made in america will bend back and work fora while. THAT IS TOTAL garbage. parts from plastic hold up better, wood holds up better. playdoh holds up better.

[drahken]

i just can't stand chinese scooters, had a lemon. screw them. some guy tried to sell me a used one, lowered his price he ws ready to, i was like, no i want something with parts i can get. that won't break down on me. he didnt blame me at all. he had even put some go fast parts on it. if you cant get a japanese scooter going, you cant get a chinese scooter going.

[cyborg]

Whew!!!

[richardv]

Sounds like someone doesn't like himself.

Bah Humbug!