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cant do it in the public you cant do it nowhere else

yea well then the first thing is to not say a topic isn't and shouldnt be discussed becuase its been talked about up and down and backwards cuase the whole conversation is you guys trying to pat each other on your backs to pretend YOU have A POINT. you don't. the conversation was a few people with a coupole of positives they liked about chinese scooters. all opinions. some guy was arguing and you guys where arguing with him. when i came in and made a point. they suck, not only my opinion they suck in general. you tell the topic to be ended its been discussed and make an outrageos lie on syms. oh i was wrong about that amount he said. its not the 3-4000 its 4-5000 thousand he said. and the only difference between OTD between chinese and syms. lets get this straight.
is tax, anything else is there, its a feature anyway. forget it. if you wanted that on that chinese bike youd have to pay the same amount. so i dont see the point. the only difference is syms, normally dont sell out of a flea market with no tax. but no tax means, usually a few things, imported illegaly, won't find the seller when you turn back around. so theres a few good things about the OTD about a sym, i guess.

then im pretty much threatened with all i can get is chinese, after all these points i made. i get upset and you tell me pretty much to leave or something? cause i just kept the conversation going on to begin with, it was dead. you guys where trying to fight with someone who was arguing and patting each other backs to make up the fake thing that chinese scooters are worth a crap. you didnt make points only attacked that guy. i made a good point. then you all say lets stop the discussion. your right its a discussion forum maybe thats what you should do.

the only agendas you guys have is destroying the american manufacturing. oh the cost of paying workers for things that doesnt matter and shouldnt even be there, besides being paid good wages. to do good work. youve not made an opinion one way or the other and i find it insulting and also on par with these topics you'd go off on me when im the only one making much points. and ive been countering any points anyone comes up with saying chinese are good. so people know. but here i am being threatened by admins and i cant even figure out what some are saying. but your user already said stop the topic and stop discussion because of his outrageous lies. you guys keep up the outragoeusness. ive made a point about any real subjects of this topic. im through with it. glad we had this discussion. and if someone else comes up with another.. wait. let me make another before i leave. ermmm. oh yea if your gonig to have to rebuild something anyway why not do it with quality parts, it odesnt matter either way. one will last, and not break in half. get something wortha crap, no reason to get chinese.

all the lies about japanese quality, noone can say anything bad about the 1960-70 honda cub. how far back do we got to go before we get to early age cars?

and that price tag is .. its double and almost 2.5x what the real cost is really.

pot metal. compare it with other chinese products.

you can tell bad chinese metal, bend it back once, itll about break if it doesnt crack on you. at least something made in america will bend back and work fora while. THAT IS TOTAL garbage. parts from plastic hold up better, wood holds up better. playdoh holds up better.

this isnt what this topics about.

and you guys keep making the statement of not knowing nothing about a scooter thats why you tear them up or, oh its great to learn on.

or something....

here, was an excuse i used to buy a chinese scooter to start with. becuase it was put together then i didnt have to know nothing about it to fix it, cuase it worked.

and you say you'll learn working on them. you dont learn much of nothing from bikes that strip everything you touch on them.

and you say you dont have to know nothing about them like you would another scooter to buy it. .....

becuse its new... junk is junk. and if you cant buy a new scooter, there isnt a whole lot you have to know to buy a used scooter. there are some things. and youd have to go through it, but go through a used bike like from japan or a chinese bike. brand new. see which you find more problems with.

this topics about the difference if you dont like that then leave the forum.

im just stating my difference what i know about them.  what it takes to know the difference, and how to fix something.  I had a lemon scooter.

I'm here to learn anything, apply it to my ..oh well im using the forum.  I'm reading.  I can help whenever.  But from reading usually chinese carburetors have small particles in them that need gone over to get them running, not replacing.  and its not the topics where people go the screw is covered up you guys tell them, buy a new carb.  its the ones where they have fuel dleivery issues. i just said that.  your reply was a fallacy reply to mine.  your saying a generalized statement and not responding to the actual information i told.  to try to make me look stupid to get everyone to listen to you.  the responses to buy another carb isnt on teh fuel delivery isssue topics.  you don't reply with clean the carb out.  if someones carb doesnt run you respond to them to replace it.  why would you want to do that?  there .. fixable cleanable rebuildable then you the only idea i can think of for that is that you sell them.

this is your chinese scooter deal.  that you get.  i wouldnt bother with chinese.  if you do, may lose 700 dollars people with only 700 dollars and not enough for a better bike, dont have that kind of money to throw away. 

I dont like being on forums when I try to help you guys insist the person, replaces a rebuild item.  for every fuel delivery issue topic.  I read that all the time on chinese scooter forums.  Any, so dont even tell me its over something else.  If you feeli like challenging that, find the few very few posts that are replied to replace the carb over screws covered with a brass tab, and i'll hunt down the fuel delivery ones.  cause i stopped coming to chinese forums after my bike got stole.  but when i came back, thats all I read.  You guys must sell the things and you make me sick.   You've only recently started telling people to change them out over brass plugs covering screws, but its usually you trying to talk them into it.

this is a discussion.  telling me to leave is like OH yea thats right the guy earlier saying this topic was talkied about up and down.  and he lied about the cost of scooters to try to push the chinese crap quality down everybody's throats. SO STOp.  people aint gonna buy these bikes and someone has something to lose in it that's all that i can see, the reason why you won't keep your mouths shut about the bikes.  A taiwan scooter doesnt cost 3 or 4 thousand, they cost 2 thousand. 

after combinb either a used or new 700 dollar either chinese or used japanese or taiwan bike, around that cost, you either a get a good buy on a used, high quality bike.  or you get a chinese bike new. 

thats really all this arguement boils down too.  if you know what to look for youll strike a deal on a used quality controled bike.  but you'll lose out at least 2x or 3x more on the chinese bike.  takes a little time to know what to look for an youd really have to look at a bike to find the problems too.  but i think it can be done easier than the methods i knoW IM A NOOB

stop importing crap are you threatening me? i want to report the post above as threatening me.

thats a threatengin statement you crap bag. what is it even poersonal to me about?

whatever this is how the conversation goes on chinese crap they gotta call it the best shti ever or they dont want to even be part of the conversation so why dont you assholes just leave it to people with some experience.

as for experience i see this crap topic happen all the time and everytime its the same thing from the PEOPLE WHO SELL THE THINGS. greatest ever screw the japense.

how about that for something i heard, i heard japan was bad, it just was said and i said how about a honda cub? 60 and 70 model bike. how about that? HOW ABOUT IT?! its ive heard is bulletproof, from lots of people.

so so much for what japan might of messed up on. at least they got some quality coontrol so before you asshole china blow people come on and talk crap to everyone and threaten me you asshole, why dont you, stop telling everyone with fuel delivery problems or some carb problem to, replace the carb. the carb isnt a repalcement item. lets for example take a 1960 chevy. if the carb has a problem flooding.. do you, a. replace or b. rebuild. YOU REBUILD. so screw your responses to everything. including this topic.
and b. STOP TRYING TO LOWER EVERYONE ELSES QUALITY WITH YOUR crap FILLED MOUTHS. i dont want to hear it. nobody cares about it and Noone has to hear it. stay far away fromthis topic since you cant seem to let everyone else discuss this is a topic and it is a forum. so screwoff. BAM hows that for you 2. back to back pat each others asses.

chinese quality is crap and they will resort to any means to push it as any kind of any quality.

i dont care. warranty it, so, that company, are they hgher priced? what money they make they can probably afford to do it. once they have to VOUCH for their own stuff, by putting their own asses on the line it will up in quality. but as long as people like the last 2 posters, who cant keep their stories straight, keep their mouths open, nothing good wille ver come out and the next death by chinese scooter should call for your head.

hows that for everyone chinese quality?

this is just been a kept on personal attack.  so leave  ME ALONE

how, you dont want to be that blind at night. dont go more than camaro

also chinese makes the eletronics in your cars. speak of how wonderful those are too there. but the only time you guys talk about the chinese products is whne you can call it a japanese thing.

the same thing you guys say all the time is the same thing youve always said since the chinese scooters came out, and still, even now. so they havent changed and neither have you. this topics called discuss.. not run over everybody else. and make up any lines you can to bolster you idea of a chinese scooter. you guys have no real by yourselves much to say but you pat each other on your backs. chinese scooters are crap. the reason japanese got better is they leanred. and also what are you guys saying? the honda cub, maade in the 60 and 70s by japan, is a bad bike? i just dont believe that. theyre rock solid from what i heard. the chinese dont learn because of slave labor. you think yoru going to pay someone pennies a day and have them pump you out quality? its not going to happen.

the chinese havent learned and your guys responses to these types of posts havent changed neither. it was the same 5 years ago. and its the same now. you dont learn and they dont learn.

chinese quality is crap. find me a good made bike without a problem that was there before.

when you guys stop responding to posts people have about fuel delivery or some carburetor problem with, buy a new carb, then maybe you can talk about chinese quality.

becuase the answer to a carburetor problem, isnt replaace it. thats a chinese part quality problem. and needs stopped being used.