Starter safety on brake pedal By blu (Read 2,655 times)

[Alleyoop]

Yep I know what you have, I got shot up in NAM 3 rounds all on the left side 1 above the knee 1 in the hip and 1 on my forearm the one that did the damage was the hip shot. The bullet hit the ball and shattered the ball and cup so they took out the broken bones and fused it. So no ball joint or cup and my left leg is 4 inchs short and I have to walk with a cane and you guessed it I have to use the small of my back to walk so that messes with the discs in the small of my back. I have my left shoes and gym shoes built up so I walk pretty straight without to much of a limp at all.

The lower disk has narrowed and my nerves get pinched at any time and pain shots down my left leg and buckles it at any time. Ortho Doc says he can fix it by opening up the disk giving more room for the nerves but the recovery would be long. At my age I will live with it I have lived with aching pains and sharp pains since 1968. I had to spend 2 years in the hospital in a body cast and part of that time in traction so I do not like hospitals.

Like you I cannot even get on a Bike due to the fused hip I cannot spread my legs enough.
Alleyoop

[jct842]

You will find riding a scooter can be hard on the back/ The reason is the mounting of the engine. When you hit a bump the whole engine has to move up before the shocks can soften the bump. Bigger scooters are worse. Just got rid of a 07 majesty. Riding that on a rough road was killing my back. I bought a KLX250 dirt bike with over 9 inches of travel on the front and back....problem solved. Adjusted both front and rear for the softest ride and took the preload out. Had a 150cc chinese scooter and had no problem with the ride on it. Still have an antique riva and that rides much smoother than the 400cc majesty ever did.

You need to sort out the brake light/start circuit before you get riding in traffic. No brakes while starting could kill you if it stalled in traffic.

[blu]

Wow! Thanks for serving Alleyoop. Glad you survived your injuries. My battles were at home, crashed way too many cars.

Jc, I have brakes and can't start unless I have the rear brake on. Problem is my front brake doesn't allow it to start. Brakes and brake lights work, and can't start unless the rear brake is on. Just have to figure out why the voltage isn't going to the solenoid when I use the front brake, sounds pretty simple, just can't get down to work on it.

[Alleyoop]

You got it BLU, I would think the wire from the front brakes came out of its Plug or Connection. It may be that that wire is connected to the Rear Brake Wire and it came unspliced it all depends on how it was wired. But if you follow the wire you will find the problem.
Alleyoop

[blu]

First step is to see if the switch is doing what it's supposed to do. I can do that without any acrobatics, but just sitting on the stool right now is not gonna happen. I feel pretty good in the morning, I'll check it first thing. Maybe later tonight.

[Alleyoop]

BLU, you know the switch is working just fine, because the brake lights come on. The problem is DOWN the line not the switch. What happens down the LINE IS THE ONE WIRE SPLITs one feeds the brake lights and the other feeds the SOLENOID.
Alleyoop

[blu]

Second thought, the switch is doing what it's supposed to do, or the light wouldn't come on. I wonder where the splice is, where the power is split off the brake lights and go to the starter switch. Must be up front somewhere I would think. That little plug by the volume switch is in the right place, wonder where it goes?

EDIT:  I was typing at the same time!

[Alleyoop]

I just didn't want you to waste your time looking at something that is not the problem. FOLLOW THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD

[blu]

Love the Daffy! The starter switch is sending a signal to the starter, so the signal from the front brake isn't getting to the starter button. So it would probably split up there in the handle bars, I would think. I hope they didn't run a wire all the way down somewhere and back up, but who knows what the chinese were thinking.

[Alleyoop]

You are confusing me!! The start button ALL IT DOES IS GROUNDS THE SOLENOID that is all it does. The Brake switchs are the ones that send VOLTAGE TO THE SOLENOID when SQUEEZED. So saying that find the SOLENOID and tell me what it looks like:

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[blu]

First, I don't know what I'm talking about, really! But, I just figure the signal from the brake switch would go through the start button, otherwise the solenoid would engage every time you hit the brakes. So the signal gets split before the start button, signal going to the brake light, and going to the start button. The start button completes the circuit to the solenoid. That's how I'm figuring.

[jct842]

Brake light circuit should be also connected to the solenoid. 12 volts to brake light in back and also to top of solenoid. Start switch is connected to bottom of solenoid and to ground. push it and current will flow causing the starter to turn.

[blu]

Told you I didn't know what I was talking about. That makes sense. Sounds more complicated than it needs to be, but again, I don't know electrical crap, mechanical I'm fine, but this stuff is mysterious.

[blu]

Anyone know where the solenoid is on one of these?

EDIT:  I guess it's next to the battery, at least that's where the diagram says it is.  It resembles No, 2 that Alley posted, except instead of fuses I have wires.  I can't upload an image, problems with my system.

[Alleyoop]

All you need to do is follow the THICK RED wire from the battery it will connect to one of the terminals.

So when you get a chance trace the wire from the brake back toward the Solenoid.
Alleyoop