|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 29, 2010 21:41:35 GMT -6
The 66cc (sometimes called 80cc) 2 stroke kits for motorizing your average bike can be bought for about $140. The 49cc (4 stroke) kits cost about $300 to $900 depending on the type of transmission you want. Basic 2 strokes have a manual clutch while the 4 strokes use a centrifugal clutch which is mated to either a belt (toothed or v-belt) or gear transmission. Here's my MB with an early 4 stroke kit which is being updated to a v-belt (Q-Matic) transmission. This setup can easily be geared for over 40 mph and typically gets at least 175 to 180 miles per gallon.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 26, 2010 15:17:12 GMT -6
I usually run with just one headlight, so the battery always charges. A single HID headlight throws plenty of light for night driving. Also, switching HID lights on and off does not stress the switch very much because it is not switching the lights themselves but just switching the control box relay. At least I know where the upper limit is for my charging system. I am thinking of upgrading to the Oregon Motorcycle R/R, but I want to check the output of the stator under load to see if it drops between the charging and discharging modes. I am trying to avoid throwing parts at a problem until I know where the weak points are.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 25, 2010 18:08:59 GMT -6
Hi again, tk. I decided to check out your CVT video. I didn't see much clutch action. It looks like the clutch portion is binding or is frozen. Compare it to this video and pay attention to the way the clutch works:
The only other explanation that I can think of is that your CVT belt is stretching when you rev the engine. This is pretty unlikely. If the clutch is binding, it would also make belt replacement difficult. Most people can compress the clutch by squeezing with two hands. Some clutches are stiffer than others and that's why I use the screwdriver method. The tip of the screwdriver always remains in the very bottom of the clutch pulley halves. The belt never gets down that low. Check to see if the clutch works like in the video. If not, then the clutch assembly has to be removed to see why it doesn't slide back and forth on the shaft. Might be some rust in their or just a lack of grease. Very little grease is required. If you do decide to work on the clutch, please look at the tutorials on this forum first. There is a powerful spring in the assembly which could cause parts to fly unexpectedly if you remove the large flat nut.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 25, 2010 17:25:24 GMT -6
My variator is the same as yours. It is important to torque the variator nut correctly. Here is the tool I use and it can also be used for the clutch. $15
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 25, 2010 16:34:38 GMT -6
Hi scootaway,
I might be the only one to be able to give you all those readings without pulling fuses. I have both my headlights (35W HID) switched independently. I have no headlight switch so I use the hi/lo beam switch for on and off. I can tell you that 13.9 volts is what I get at 5000 rpm with one headlight and the fan running. Two headlights will slowly discharge the battery. I get about 14.0 volts at idle with no fan or headlight. Goes to about 14.6 volts at 5000 rpm (no lights or fan).
PLEASE NOTE: I forgot to mention that I have an electric fuel pump which is always on.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 24, 2010 21:50:43 GMT -6
Todd,
Wow, I cannot believe the bad run you are experiencing. I'm counting on you to give some up to date reports on the Oregon Motorcycle R/R now that you have the on board voltmeter. I picked up a radiator/fan set from eBay for $40 which is a duplicate of my (our) scoot. Now I'm going to have to figure out how to mount the radiator and maybe give some additional airflow. Otherwise, the scoot's OK maybe because I have no reason to go for longer rides. I like riding in cooler weather. I replaced my air valve stems with metal ones as part of my PDI. I hope you have some smooth scootin' once you replace the tire.
I take a break from scooter problems by playing with my motorized bike. It's a lot simpler and I know what every wire is doing since I put them in myself - and there is no charging system or radiator. ;D
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 24, 2010 14:11:39 GMT -6
Super snoopin', Dr. JR. We really didn't establish whether or not there was a weak stator involved in all these electrical mysteries. It could be a random batch of weak parts (R/R or stators or both). The solution or solutions may be on an individual basis. I may have a weak stator while Todd may have a weak regulator and Yoster might have both, ad nauseum. I still have to get out in the heat to take some stator output comparisons between one headlight and two headlights running. Right now, there is no charging problem as long as I run one headlight.
Also, Dr. JR, I was able to straighten the radiator nozzle on my eBay radiator/fan combo (thanks again for the link) and I did a bench test on the fan. 4.5 amps @ 12 volts. This is with the fan and radiator mounted together. Probably run under 4 amps installed in a scoot with 13.5 to 14 volts running.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 23, 2010 18:54:18 GMT -6
Insert a large flat blade screwdriver between the two sheaves (halves of the clutch pulley). You should be working very near the shaft for the clutch. Twist the screwdriver like removing the cover on a can of paint. Use your strongest hand to squeeze the clutch. In my case my right hand so I used the screwdriver from the left side. Keep spinning and prying until the clutch is open enough.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 23, 2010 12:24:50 GMT -6
Hi TK,
Assemble the variator without the belt. Torque the nut to 70 foot pounds. You might want to apply some blue locktite first.
Here's how I mount my belt. Get a large standard screwdriver or small pry bar (tire iron) and carefully insert into the open side (left side) of the clutch pulley. While twisting the pry bar I squeeze the right side of the clutch pulley with my right hand. Keep turning and prying as needed to open up the clutch. When this is done, you should have no problem mounting the belt.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 22, 2010 18:37:42 GMT -6
Thanks for all the info, guys. I thought it was part of the emissions systems, but I wanted confirmation.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 22, 2010 10:18:17 GMT -6
The water pump is mechanical. Does the cooling fan work now that the switch is replaced? You said that you had to keep adding coolant. Is it leaking? Is the oil level correct? I'm wondering about the need to add coolant. High oil levels could be coolant leaking in. Also coolant could be blowing out the overflow. Both of these problems would indicate a blown head gasket. Sounds like coolant is not circulating which could just be air bound because of your frequent need to aid coolant. I think your problem might be related to the need to add coolant periodically.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 21, 2010 11:03:31 GMT -6
I recently received an e-mail from a nearby scoot owner who got my info from another forum. He thinks his wife's scoot (YY50QT-28A) has a fuel pump problem. I was able to determine it is a gravity feed (standard 50cc style tank) and linked him to the most popular vacuum petcocks so he could show me which one he had. Ended up being none of the above. He sent me a picture of what looks to me like something which works with the emissions system. This scoot looks like a Motorini Wasp I think. Any one know what this part is?
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 20, 2010 21:31:18 GMT -6
Welcome to Scooter Doc, Dave. I didn't run into that problem with my scoot. Here's a shot of the midsection in the as received condition with the original vacuum fuel pump still installed.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 20, 2010 9:57:35 GMT -6
Welcome to Scooter Doc. Was there any difference after you replaced the switch? Does the fan come on now? If the fan is Ok and is still not coming on, then you are probably not getting any coolant circulation. I believe this is a CfMoto clone 244cc. The heat sensor is on the head for the temp guage. What you replaced was the relay for the cooling fan. As far as I know these engines do not have a overheat circuit which automatically shuts off the engine. Make sure the radiator is full including at least half way in the overflow tank. If that's OK, then you could have a water pump failure. You should feel the bottom radiator hose getting warm as the engine is running. If not, then no circulation.
|
|
|
Post by Cruiser on Jul 20, 2010 0:05:52 GMT -6
Sounds like it is worth trying. Running current through less wiring has to save some power. In the case of the marginal wiring in our scoots, it might be considerable.
|
|