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Post by Jeff on Nov 22, 2011 20:40:48 GMT -6
kz, I don't know who put the chip on your shoulder but it wasn't me. Everyone including Rich took your post as serious, not tongue in cheek, especially after your previous rant about the cost of Vespas. I'm glad you're happy with your chinese scooters, I was too when I had them but after riding a burgman and majesty I couldn't get rid of the chinese stuff fast enough. It's a world of difference. Just my opinion though, and everyone has one.
Rich... I will not apologize in any way. kz is the one with an attitude problem. You can delete my account.
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Post by Jeff on Nov 21, 2011 23:43:09 GMT -6
Superiority... How could anyone make such an ignorant statement.
Easy. Less cost, yes possibly less performance but given equal amounts of care a Chinese scooter will last just as long as any Japanese scooter. Hah hah, if you say so. I'm running all over my friend's Honda Reflex in terms of mileage. I have 6,000 miles on my 150, he has 5300. So he doesn't ride as often as you. That's not a valid point. I have over 22k on my B650, so what? As for reliability, John's Majesty is parked right now with no compression. Oh sure after he spends $80 an hour in a shop it will be back. I'm not familiar with the issues John has had but it sounds like the previous owner didn't take care of it, as in letting it sit for years. A china scoot would fare better in the same situation? John has the option of fixing it himself or paying a mechanic, same as you or I. You can make the argument that a lawnmower mechanic is qualified to work on the china scoot so therefore it's cheaper to maintain and therefore superior to a japanese scooter with fuel injection but, jeez... Taking a year off? Maybe that's how you see it. The SH-150i was doomed from the start. $4500 for a 150cc scooter when next to it are Rebel 250s for hundreds less. Let's see a 150 scooter or a CBR-250? Even a PCX at $3500 when there are Kymcos with bigger engines for less is ridiculous. $2600 Kymco Like 200 for instance, which if my information is correct, is Chinese built. Kymco isn't Chinese. Kymco makes decent scooters, as does SYM. What happens when the Chinese clone a 400cc Japanese scooter? Game over. Roketa has been advertising a 400cc scoot for about 4 years now. Don't have the engineering skills to make it work or bring it to market yet. Give them a few more years and they will. It will be 1/3 the price and 1/3 the quality. I've said it before. Jim Martin at Rapid Repair preps his Roketas to death before he sells them... Yes, he has to because the manufacturer doesn't care. Oh, and one last thing. Honda never really built the GY6. It's an all Chinese design. Look it up. There's a tiny bit of debate as to whether Honda or Suzuki or some other company designed the gy6 but there is no question as to who perfected it and made it as reliable as it is. There is also no question that the Chinese copied that successful design. People here are running 20,000 miles on 250s and only replacing consumables for initial purchase prices under $2000. The Reflex, Helix and Big Ruckus all cost $5500 or more the last year they were sold here. Where are they now? There's a handful of people that get 20k out of a China scoot. I put 5k on my 260 before I even did a PDI, though it turned out that PDI was long overdue. Why are you asking where the Honda scooters are now? They're still on road and have been a very long time. The china scoots are out in the back yard rusting or on craigs list for parts. I've looked at your posts and you seem to have a big chip on your shoulder regarding scooter prices. If it's not Chinese it's overpriced. I've always thought Vespa's were overpriced and they probably are but I don't make it a mission to tell everyone. The only thing that made me respond to the original post was the nonsense that Chinese scooters are actually superior. You lost all credibility with that.
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Post by Jeff on Nov 21, 2011 0:02:35 GMT -6
I think the BMW scoots will be no more than 10 to 12k. They need to compete with the Burgman 650 at 10k. While they have some advantages over the B650 they are few, and the B650 still has a couple things the BMW does not. And while the Burgman isn't cheap to have serviced at the dealer the BMW will very likely cost even more to service. BMW needs to be careful they don't price themselves out of the market.
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Post by Jeff on Nov 20, 2011 23:11:01 GMT -6
1/3 the price because they're 1/3 the quality. The one and only reason Chinese scooters stay running longer than 6 months is because they have Japanese designed engines in them. Everything else about the scooter is crap. I enjoyed my Chinese scooters while I had them because they were dirt cheap to buy, but I never had any illusions about the crappy quality.
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Post by Jeff on Nov 20, 2011 22:57:45 GMT -6
Wow, are you ever clueless! Chinese scooters are superior... In what way exactly? Please don't say they are superior because they cost less. I had a Roketa 150 and a Vog 260 before I moved on, think I know the difference between Chinese and Japanese scooters. Furthermore, the article clearly stated Honda may just be taking a year off in the US due to overstock, same as Suzuki did with the Burgman a couple years ago. Honda has not quit making the 125 or 150. Superiority... How could anyone make such an ignorant statement.
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Post by Jeff on Aug 15, 2011 14:00:04 GMT -6
Burn 87 grade fuel. Your scooter will love it, it will perform better and your mpg will go up to the mid 60s. You didn't say how many miles are on it, but the mpg will be better when she is fully broke in too.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 25, 2011 9:56:36 GMT -6
I have no idea about the 244cc Honda clone engine but the 257cc Yamaha clone engine takes .25L or 8.45 ounces. I would go by the Yamaha service manual long before any recommendation from Roketa. In addition, I measured the amount of gear oil that drained from my Vog at the first lube change and it was just a bit more than 8 ounces.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 24, 2011 16:28:30 GMT -6
The Linhai 257cc engine takes 8-1/2 ounces of gear lube.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 18, 2011 10:16:32 GMT -6
Diesel is a good solvent, and Gunk, or carb cleaner, or brake cleaner are all safe to use too. If you want to dissemble the components you can soak them in one of those one gallon carb cleaner solvents you get at any auto parts store. You can use a wire brush for cleaning as long as you get every trace of the wire brush particles out.
The head bolts don't need the cap nuts, no reason you can't use a regular nut and lockwasher, just get them to the proper torque. Not sure of the head gasket, but auto engines use metal gaskets so I would think you want to use the metal gasket for sure but maybe it uses both. Check the Honda service manual.
The previous owner is a moron.
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Post by Jeff on Jun 29, 2011 17:04:44 GMT -6
Most people like to break in the scoot with dino oil and wait until 1000 miles or more before going to synthetic. I change mine about every 1000 miles so I just keep using dino oil in it. It's cheap and it it gets replaced frequently so I don't see the need for synthetic. I do however use synthetic for the gear lube so I don't have to change it as often. Gear lube won't get as dirty as fast as engine oil so I feel I could leave it in there longer. So far though, I've been changing the gear lube at each oil change just because it's easy and takes so little fluid. Well I have 5k miles on it now and will change the fluids again this weekend but after that I think I'll just do the gear lube maybe every third oil change.
I use Castrol 4-T 10w40 dino oil in the crankcase and Mobil 1 75-90 synthetic in the gearcase.
Like the new scoot.... it's looks so... new :-)`
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Post by Jeff on Jun 29, 2011 16:43:25 GMT -6
.... Everyone is right the gauges suck. I use the odometer too. Fill it up between 120 to 160 miles. Most I ever put in was 2.5 gallons. Mine holds 3.4 gallons and the most I ever put in it was.... 3.4 gallons. I had run it down to fumes a couple of times to see how many miles I could get out of a tank, which is 220 indicated miles, that's about 200 actual miles. Usually I'm putting in about 3 gallons at each fill-up. The scooter is very consistent with it's mileage (65mpg) so I can time my fill-ups pretty close. Haven't run out yet. I write the indicated mileage down at fill-up and add 220 to the number, and keep that note in the glove box. My gas gauge recently quit working but was so far from accurate it was useless anyway. When it was in the red I still had half a tank so I had to use the odometer unless I wanted to fill it constantly.
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Post by Jeff on Jun 28, 2011 21:28:27 GMT -6
I use Mobil 1 LS 75W-90 - .25L or 8.45 ounces and usually change it when I change the oil since it takes so little.
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Post by Jeff on Jun 25, 2011 16:49:55 GMT -6
I could have used this recently, and all the searching I did resulted in close but not very accurate diagrams. Happened to come across this today and it's closer than anything else I've found. There are two nearly identical diagrams in the pdf. It's unfortunate that whoever saved them did so in low quality, the text is a bit blurry, yet managed to create a whopping 67mb file. Not very bright, but heh this is better than nothing. www.bmsmotor.com/datafiles/2386_tbx_260.pdfI also opened this in Acrobat and optimized it which reduced it to a 2mb file without hurting it one bit. I'd attach it but the size limit is 1mb
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Post by Jeff on Jun 24, 2011 18:36:31 GMT -6
u shod proly flus th coolent an pot sum bettr stuf init hepy to heer u got deel on scot.
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Post by Jeff on Jun 23, 2011 20:58:55 GMT -6
If I joined a gun forum and asked "how do I clean my gun" or "what ammo should I use" without stating in the post or in their sig what gun they owned, a regular in that forum would get tired of seeing that kind of post for the hundredth time too. And when that question does get answered it's both polite and helpful to acknowledge that this or that fix worked so other newcomers don't have to ask the same question. Sorry to use the gun analogy kczukiman, I think all forums have to deal with this sort of thing.
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