Why ask Why By speedracer (Read 1,686 times)

[speedracer]

I just have to wonder why people come on here with a problem, ask a question and then just disappear. There are so many threads where questions are asked and answered and the person who makes the post doesn't bother to respond or give anyone a thank you. Just seems rude to me.

[kz1000st]

That's not the only thing. It would be nice to know the outcome so you can tell someone with a similar problem what to try. When someone doesn't tell you if a suggestion worked you're back to square one the next time you hear a similar problem. If I hear, "I put my scooter away for the winter and now it's not starting in April," one more time, and not hear what finally worked, I think I'll scream.

[speedracer]

Get ready to scream next spring.

[Bashan]

I think rude is the operative word. Here are some of my pet peeves:

• I need a manual RIGHT NOW! Oh, and I need a donation...RIGHT NOW!
  
• I thought there'd be a video on a complete engine disassembly. Nope, we were waiting for you to make it.
  
• Where's the valve gap for a CF Moto 244cc?! Well, that would be right in the library under ENGINE! Try using your mouse to go there!
  
• What? Nobody's interested in my post? I'm sorry, the guy we had assigned to watch your posts fell asleep.

But then there's the nice folks like y'all. ;D Rich

[kczukiman]

I am not a regular poster but have been a member for quite a while. My interests are mostly in gun forums. But I do enjoy stopping in and reading posts from time to time.And I have to say for the most part its a very freindly and helpful forum. But If a person was not a regular I can't help but think that after reading this thread,it would show some arrogance and some what of a clique-ish attitude. I think I would be a little reluctant of too much piling on to this thread. Could turn into a turn off to future members.
Just my opinion not trying to be a know it all, just have seen these kind of threads lead into a negative in other foums.
Dave

[Jeff]

If I joined a gun forum and asked "how do I clean my gun" or "what ammo should I use" without stating in the post or in their sig what gun they owned, a regular in that forum would get tired of seeing that kind of post for the hundredth time too. And when that question does get answered it's both polite and helpful to acknowledge that this or that fix worked so other newcomers don't have to ask the same question. Sorry to use the gun analogy kczukiman, I think all forums have to deal with this sort of thing.

[LUKE]

to make things clear here,forums have a purpose which involves shared knowledge. For that reason, it is counterproductive and therefore rude to reply privately,and or not reply back with a thank you. This denies the answer, and perhaps more importantly, the development of the answer to other members. talking about rudeness, It can also be rude to link to other forums in your answer or in your signature as it tends to confuse people as to where they have posted their questions. The information is easily posted to the forum, rather than directing others to a completely different website to read one post.,i don't do that, i always answer impromptu,that's what my father sky walker taught me..

Most forums have both an HTML option and a range of emoticons or Avatars for the use of their members. This does make it easier to show stress points in a sentence (using different colors, bold font, underline, etc.) and eliminates the need for capitalization to make a point. A message that is delivered in capitals is considered "shouting" or "flaming" on the internet and is considered extremely rude.

While your post to the forum is available to the group as a whole, you should generally use the name of the person to whose comment you are responding for two reasons.

1) It makes a better impression. You are trying to expand your network as well as perfect your skills.

2) It focuses you on the fact that there is a real person on the other end of your message. Too often, we feel an anonymity on the internet and respond in ways that we would not respond person to person. If anything, we need to be kinder on the internet. It is fast paced. We tend to forget that once it is written - it is always there.

Many who belong to forums save or bookmark posts as little tutorials. Many belong to more than one forum. Do not clog the forum with repetition, subjects that are not pertinent, long personal anecdotes, or inappropriate language.

Lend that helping hand.

Many forums call for critiques from members on a particular project. This is a wonderful learning tool if handled properly. Remember, this is a learning process and criticism must walk a fine, polite line. If criticism is too harsh, someone may be dissuaded from presenting their project for criticism. If criticism is not honest, no one will learn. Both extremes defeat the purpose of the forum.

If you are being critiqued: Do not take criticism personally. Evaluate it and decide if you can use it. If you can't, then put it totally out of your mind.

If you are critiquing: Unless you can offer an improvement or substitution that you feel would benefit the project, do not comment. (Others will.) Never comment on a subject outside of the forum. (example: if the forum deals with website coding, do not comment on the content or the graphics of a website.)

Do not, at any time, post something on a forum that would be embarrassing or personal in nature.

Practice making it look easy.

Forums generally have a constant influx of "newbie" participants. If you have done well in responding to a particular problem - explained the answer clearly and simply - keep the answer for future use. Better yet, if your Forum has archives - keep a note of the location of your answer and respond with a direction to that archived material.

As it is difficult to know your internet audience in a forum - and in the interest of appearing professional, this is one place where humor is best avoided or 'gentled'. I always say thank you,when i get replies and solutions to my scooter problems..

enuf said!!

[Bashan]

Dave, I don't think it's arrogance so much as just giving voice to the frustrations we feel sometimes in dealing with people that come looking for help who have done absolutely no research on their own, won't take five minutes to compose a coherent question, and then bolt without even a thank you or at least saying the problem was fixed. I guess a few of us just saw an opportunity to unload a little and vent some frustration. I wouldn't do this if I didn't really enjoy it, but the coarseness of some people can rub one the wrong way. I think Jeff had a great point in that all forums, regardless of the theme, experience the same attitudes, both good and bad.

*Luke*, that was a beautifully composed and touching post......now who are you and what have you done with my buddy *Luke*! Kidding pal, that was a sweet post. Some older farts like me did not grow up with computers, resisted getting into them, but relented when we saw it was inevitable. Therefore we are not ingrained with some of the accepted practices involving communication via this media. One example is the use of caps, my generation thought it was perfectly acceptable to use them for emphasis in print only to be berated on some foums for flaming; um, that also had another meaning to us. There's several other things we do that are considered bad form but it's due to not being up to speed yet on the vernacular, not rudeness. Rich

[mcalli]

Basham, I can see Dave's point though, People are very busy in todays society. It is a society of immediate gratification. The 1950's (the days of grace and manners) are long gone. People (especially new people) see this as a place where they can get an answer (and get it now!). In a way, that is a huge compliment to this site. It shows that this is a site of helpful people with tons of helpful information. Which is why this site is here! Those of us who frequent it and know each other tend to stop thinking of the site as a "information" site and we think of it as a "social site". In reality, it is both. But some people do not want to socialize or don't have the time. They just want the information. Really, that is fine, that is a big part of what this site does. We need to understand people that are in a hurry and just help them get their information. We need to realize that the majority of them are not being rude, they are just using this for an information site. (whichis what it is). Of course, I agree, that there are some very rude people in this world. (and if you really stop to think about it, Isn't it better that the rudest of people get their info and then go?) But we really do need to remember that this was started as a help forum most of all. I imagine running a forum like this would be a lot of work. So I can understand all the feelings

[kczukiman]

I totally understand the point to this thread. And the frustrations are valid. And I also know that it would be almost impossable to find a forum with a more friendlier group of people. That is why I wrote my post. Im just saying in the past, I've seen these types of venting threads turn into a b_tching session.
Just wanted to throw it out there befor any one got the wrong idea of how truly helpful and friendly Scooter Doc's really is.
I hope I didnt sound accusatory. That truly wasn't my intention.

[LUKE]

i quote---->"in the past, I've seen these types of venting threads turn into a b_tching session."

...well let's ask speedracer what's his purpose for posting this thread.....is it to start a b--tching session? again? or something else?? whatever his intention is,i'm sure it must be good...or i want to think it's good. ;D
BTW who authored the thread "anyone got a message from jr" ?? that one got really out of hand....
i forgot who authored that thread,,() anybody know?...ahh! anyway,past is past....i don't wanna worry about it at this point in time,tomorrow is saturday, need to ride at least 200miles to satisfy my scooter addiction......

[Bong]

What about all the Guests doing there research that will never join? A thread with a conclusion that worked may help people you'll never know about.

There are many more Guests than members and I'm sure they read for help and knowledge, finding the answer may make them decide to join.

I would not ask my boss for a raise and not follow up on it. So why ask a question and not post a solution???

[cookees]

umm.. I got this gun.....and I was wondering...

[LUKE]

i googled this saying---> "i got this gun....and i was wondering..." but nothing came out.
i toldya,this site is global, some members and guests are not familiar with these slang sayings and quotes.....i also wonder what that means....lol

...oh and in addition,,if a guest surf this site and read this thread "why ask why" they will surely think twice or thrice before signing up...because in the back of their minds,they are obliged to reply back when they post a problem,or even say thanks(which is a common courtesy). selfish as it may seem but some people only wants to get solutions to their scoot problem then bye bye!!,that's human nature in general...let's not shooo away guests and potential members.

[Bong]

My gun needs bullets to work. If I order a stronger spring do I need a new clip??? What size spring would you suggest??? Please HELP. Where can I find a new slide that fits a 9mm??

BTW anyone know how to remove the safety??? TIA

Just messin around but, I do recommend any guests reading this to join and post your opinion. Ask a question and it will be answered. This really is a friendly place no matter what you ride or your ability.

Luke, I did the same search and got some site about ethics and law bla..bla.. bla Is it ok if I copy and paste your speech on every forum ever??? You my friend RULE!!!!!