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Post by glavey on Jun 28, 2014 12:36:44 GMT -6
Well, I bit the bullet and bought a flywheel puller designed for the 139qmb. As soon as it gets here, I'll post pics of the stator.
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Post by glavey on Jun 27, 2014 17:49:31 GMT -6
Yeah, I was trying to save a few dollars. I could have sworn I had a gear puller in my toolbox, but apparently I don't and it seems that a puller specifically for this engine might be cheaper.
I hate buying tools so focused on one individual use, like the variator holder I bought a while ago, but damn they come in handy when you need them, like a few moments ago when I used it to hold the crankshaft in place so I could remove the flywheel nut.
I've been avoiding ebay and trying to go with actual stores like partsforscooters, mainelyscooters, and scrappydogdscooters; but if I did that with my budget right now I could only afford a flywheel puller OR a stator OR another regulator but no combination thereof. I'll see what I can find on ebay...
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Post by glavey on Jun 27, 2014 8:42:44 GMT -6
Do I have to get one like scrappydog sells or can I get away with a plain ol' gear puller?
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Post by glavey on Jun 26, 2014 19:06:51 GMT -6
Will I need a flywheel puller to remove the magneto?
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Post by glavey on Jun 26, 2014 17:08:03 GMT -6
Alley, there is a nut on the end of the bolt and it is as tight as I dare make it.
I'm used to winging/modding/making stuff (in fact I love it and it is half the reason I got a chinese scooter), but I recently, just a few years ago had an epiphany with regards to modifying and winging stuff;
1. as modifications, tinkering, and other such stuff increases; reliability decreases. (particularly something exhaustively researched, developed, and tested, like anything from honda) 2. price, performance, reliability. choose 2.
I really love to plan, build, modify, diagnose, and repair stuff; but at the same time I'm scared to.
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Post by glavey on Jun 26, 2014 16:40:02 GMT -6
More test results (tested as per bashans instructions):
Without R/R: yellow - 24v; white - 22v With R/R: yellow - 11.9v; white - 17.1v
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Post by glavey on Jun 26, 2014 15:30:37 GMT -6
Did you see my pic up above in this thread? That was exactly what was wrong with my Bashans when I got them. I had to take that bolt out, ream the holes a little with a rat tail file, get a #8 hardness bolt that was tight in the opening, and bolt it down mega tight with an aircraft nut. That is the solution, I've been there. Rich I saw your pic, but I wasn't sure if you were referring to what you were holding with your fingers or the drawn arrow. Is the #8 hardness bolt and aircraft nut something I can get at a hardware store? Edit; I'm getting mixed results when googling aircraft nut. Do you mean a nylock nut or something like a castellated nut?
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Post by glavey on Jun 26, 2014 15:26:43 GMT -6
Ah ok. Thanks bash. Yeah, I disconnected the R/R entirely and probed the voltages from the connector that goes to the R/R. I'm just a little worried about pulling out the pins from the connector; seeing as how cheap the metal is I might break what ever tab/friction device they use to keep the pin in the connector.
Thanks for the link guitarman! When (if) I have spare money I'll look into buying a copy.
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Post by glavey on Jun 26, 2014 13:59:58 GMT -6
Here's a pic that will hopefully explain what I mean:
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Post by glavey on Jun 26, 2014 13:23:43 GMT -6
Here are the results from testing the stator with and without the R/R:
Without the R/R connected, ac voltage between the yellow wire and ground was 58 volts, between the white wire and ground was 55 volts.
With the R/R connected, ac voltage between the yellow wire and ground was 11.9 volts, between the white wire and ground was 17.6 volts.
I messaged john at nyc and linked him to this thread; we'll see what he says.
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Post by glavey on Jun 26, 2014 8:46:04 GMT -6
Another thought; does the color of the metal and the plastic connector mean anything? look at this screenshot from partsforscooters: The R/R that came with my stock with my scoot looks like the bottom right one, but the one I got from scrappydog looks like the middle left.
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Post by glavey on Jun 26, 2014 8:26:05 GMT -6
If you can better explain WHILE SITTING on the scoot motor not running can you move the handlebars left and right MEANING LIFTING each side up and or down and the front wheel is STATIONARY(IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN)? Alleyoop Yes, that is what I mean. I can lift each side of the bars; when I lift one side the other goes down and vice versa. I'll see if I can get a picture/video later today to better explain what I mean.
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Post by glavey on Jun 25, 2014 22:35:26 GMT -6
You need to check the voltage on the stator wires, in series one at a time. Continuity is only to diagnose shorted coils and is pretty much useless beyond that. Ok, I will do that tomorrow. Thanks for all the help.
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Post by glavey on Jun 25, 2014 15:49:18 GMT -6
Another update: Dammit. I got the new R/R hooked up along with the newly re-crimped battery-to-starter solenoid and battery ground-to-engine ground cables also with a new I'm guessing 10 gauge battery ground-to-frame cable.
Before I started the scoot I measured the resistance between various exposed metal frame bits, engine parts, and the R/R and all of them were at or near 0.3 ohms, which is what my multimeter zeros to with leads touching.
I started the scoot and checked the dc voltage at the battery 13.5 and climbing. 13.9... 14.2... 14.5... 14.7 (at this point I was screaming internally STAY THERE!!)... 14.9... 15.2 (Ah crap)... 15.5... 15.9. That's the highest it will go with full throttle and minimal running lights. On the AC side, things were much better. Measured at the headlight; the voltages never got above 11.9 with WOT.
One thing I did notice was that when I had the headlight, brake light, and turn signals all on, the battery voltage peaked at 15.1. I should mention now that I have led tail and brake lights, removed the stock headlight and headlight housing and have a 55w h3 headlight with an on/off switch. My thinking is that these R/R's could have been made to keep the voltage at 14.7 with all of the stock incandescent lights always on.
If my understanding of how the R/R works is correct, it regulates the voltages by feeding only what it is designed to feed to the respective wires and convert the rest to heat, thus the need for the heatsink fins on the metal case.
What if I just wired a 5/10/20/30 watt resistor into the scoot to bring the voltage down to where it should be?
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Post by glavey on Jun 24, 2014 18:42:42 GMT -6
As the title says, the handlebars on my scoot rock left-to-right. The pivot point seems to be the bolt that connects the handlebars to the... uh... steering stem? Is that the right term? That bolt is as tight as I can make it without something stripping.
As you can imagine, this makes low speed maneuvers very difficult, and generally riding to be a bit squirrelly.
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