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Post by bobf on Feb 13, 2016 15:11:04 GMT -6
I just don't have enough arms right now. I have to hold the throttle and play up and down to keep it running. It will not run on it's own. I guess next week I will go to the only dealer I think may be willing to work on it. Scary though as they may just spend like crazy and expect me to pay.
I did forget to do the hand in the smokey exhaust that you posted. Will do that next time I get it running, maybe if I tape the throttle where it keeps on running so I can go to the back to do that. No more today though. I have some things to do soon and not scooter stuff either.
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Post by bobf on Feb 13, 2016 13:16:59 GMT -6
I guess I was not clear as the engine runs too slow for the idle control to do any good. I can screw it down as far as it goes and not enough to make the engine run faster. I have tried to change the cable position by putting the adjustment screws high on the shaft or way down to the lower end. Neither position allows me adjustment. I looked at the handle bar adjustment but that seems to be only for rather fine adjustments and the motor end for larger adjustments.
It made no difference if the coolant hoses were attached or off and plugged.
More important to me is to somehow get the engine to be running again like it should and then start making changes to the hoses. My motor starts and runs poorly no matter what I have tried so far. And changing to a different carburetor did not make a difference either, so back to the original one.
Not sure I still have a camera. Have not used a camera for several years now. If I had a camera that worked I would then have to ask how to get a photo on this post. I guess I could look for my lonely camera and see if I can take some pictures. I have been using the pictures in the Honda Motor CO., LTD instruction manual. Some are good and some pretty poor.
Any thoughts on possibly the valves or rings are giving up? This engine only has about 246 miles on it so far. I have changed out some of the electrical parts but so far nothing has improved so maybe the wrong parts have been chosen.
Ever since I bought it I have had the covers off for one reason or another. First time was for sealing the gas tank as it leaked around the gas gauge entrance hole when I first got it out of the crate. Since then we have had to take things apart so I could fix the seat latches. I have had to put in a new thermostat and temp sender in the bottom of the radiator. So for me this has been both fun, while riding and while learning how to fix. Other things have happened also but I just can not remember them all. This current one is a real bugger. I have been working on a naked frame with the motor all exposed for about 6 months now.
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Post by bobf on Feb 13, 2016 10:57:32 GMT -6
Today's fun and learning.
Carburetor ports:
1. On top rear, 1 brass tube pointing to the left.
2. On right side lower half, 1 tube near front front for gas. Two tubes midway front to rear with 1 pointing to right and on pointing toward five o'clock.
Tubing available:
1. Left side, vacuum tube that goes to number 1 carburetor port.
2. Right side, thermostat housing tube to tube pointing straight out to right. The second tube, returns to the fill point near the radiator cap and connects to the 5 o'clock tube. ..........................
I did a run just now, with and without the coolant lines attached. In each case the exhaust was so smoke filed. The engine ran too slow for idle control so I had to hold the throttle open a bit to keep it running.
I guess I could pull the top to sections of the motor and do a valve job. Anything more and it must go to a shop if I can find one.
Your comments are welcomed.
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Post by bobf on Feb 12, 2016 17:09:40 GMT -6
Thanks Alleyoop. Sorry about putting my note in the wrong place
I just had the water hoses off the carb and it started quicker and ran smoother. Your idea of doing without those water taps on the carb sounds good to me.
It has been putting out some bad black smoke in the exhaust when it would run. I am thinking that might have been some coolant getting into the system.
Right now I am about to end up for the day and think about dinner and some TV world news. Will take another look tomorrow at what is happening and if there is still black smoke with the water disconnected.
Several months now with no help that did any good. Not a put down of the other forum as I am sure those that did offer ideas and hope did with good intents. I hope your idea is the first of steps that will get my scoot back to working again.
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Post by bobf on Feb 12, 2016 15:25:03 GMT -6
My scoot has had lots of time on the other forum but not much input from anyone at all. So I will give it some time on this forum too.
It has been months now and no success at all for getting it to run. Today I tried again, have the valves reset, have the original carb back on, will put the original fuel pump back on this afternoon. I have a hard time getting it to fire and start. I put in a new plug.
One thing I am concerned about is the hose routing's to the carb. I just have no idea where to put the hoses for the water or the vacuum. All done by guesswork and have not found any photo's or sketches of proper routing's. I dumped all my gas and replaced it with fresh gas.
One thing I have thought of trying is to remove all the water hoses from the carb and air system areas. When it does run it blows lots of black smoke around but only runs with the throttle advanced.
Any ideas of what to do? I have considered a valve job but don't want to do that till needed. I am lost and on the other forum I have had only a few efforts to help but hoping for more if possible from this site now.
Thanks for any help.
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Post by bobf on Dec 23, 2013 15:37:55 GMT -6
Unfortunately with my ailing ears, I could not understand the words. But I could tell by his voice that he was doing quite well with singing the song and the audience soon verified that feeling. .
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Post by bobf on Dec 15, 2013 10:36:11 GMT -6
Are the Chinese and US moon rovers going to tangle. Yep, our first moon war.
Not sure what our moon rover is doing these days. Have not seen any news for a long time now. .
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Post by bobf on Dec 11, 2013 14:04:31 GMT -6
FrankenMech, thanks for the link to Cosmo. A few years back the wife and I were traveling from somewhere south, Arkansas it think, to Denver Colorado. It was a very hot day and we had decided to stop for the night. Then we found the Cosmo and decided to stay a day and look it over. Really a nice place to visit. We did all that we could that day. Saw some films, did the museum walk through, really enjoyed it in the air conditioned museum. Never thought that we would find such a grand space museum in the middle of the US in Kansas. Thanks for reminding me of one of our surprises found while traveling. .
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Post by bobf on Dec 10, 2013 19:22:35 GMT -6
Not political poop at all. What has been said is economic facts. We have given up on many jobs and learning efforts and that hurts the economy, no matter who is in government. .
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Post by bobf on Dec 10, 2013 18:21:37 GMT -6
Why has the US given up the things we have learned in the quest for space technology. So many inventions that are doing us great right here at home. Instead of continuing to develop even more inventions for use in space we have now given that opportunity to China. Their economy can become stronger and they will certainly make sure any inventions they create will bring lots of money into their lives while ours will just be ever greater poverty due to lack of jobs.
We are certainly acting pretty dumb in recent years. .
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Post by bobf on Dec 10, 2013 14:48:55 GMT -6
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Post by bobf on Nov 26, 2013 11:10:05 GMT -6
Follow up on rubber cap I talked about above. I could not find a cap locally or on the web. Not even Roketa had one to offer.
So I looked for alternatives and found a few that might work. Usually designed for other purposes such as camping equipment, boat drain plugs, what ever. Did not order one yet as that is my last effort.
What I am trying now is a rubber lube that I soaked the flexible lid in overnight. It was something an auto store sold me as they said it was used to soften seals around truck and auto mounting points. So I bought the stuff, soaked the cap for about 18 hours, afternoon till next morning, and found it a bit flexible. Installed it on the tank with only finger pressure.
Now we wait and see if the cap will last or will the lube stuff cause it to rot.
It is called Liquid Wrench white lithium grease. Hope it works well over time. .
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Post by bobf on Nov 19, 2013 11:39:20 GMT -6
I just checked on my scoot. I have a MC 54 250 with the vertical 244cc engine.
If you raise the seat and loosen two screws the battery cover will come up. Under that cover you will find the radiator hose with a cap on it. A good place to add coolant to the motor.
If you prefer add water at the overflow bottle in the front compartment next to the gas tank.
If you go buy Preston anti freeze, buy the mixed, half and half, and you don't need to mess around and cut the full strength in half before adding to the radiator system.
I just found my rubber cap on the overflow jar to be hardened. I had to use a pry to force it off and a hammer to replace it. So now I go to an auto store to see if I can find a replacement that is still flexible. Something for you to notice when you check for level.
Now the other engine, horizontal 257cc, should be similar but I am not sure as I have never seen one. .
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Post by bobf on Nov 12, 2013 14:21:47 GMT -6
Can we divide 244 cc by 72 mm and then multiply by 75 mm to get 254.17 cc? Or is this way too simplified and likely stupid? Just wondering.
Maybe area is a better deal. A=PiX(RxR)
We have 3.14X(36X36) or 3.14X1296=4,069.44 for 72 mm
or have 3.14X(37.5X37.5) or 3.14X1406.25=4415.62 for 75 mm
then 244/4069.44=0.06x4415.62=264.76 cc?
Surely there is someone on this forum that knows how to calculate the improved horse power, if any. .
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Post by bobf on Nov 9, 2013 20:01:17 GMT -6
I will tell you what my Wife said about Arizona, "This isn't another State, it's another planet. We know at least one place we won't retire to." You must have only seen the south and south west parts of Arzona which is mostly desert. As you go north from Phoenix the basic land altitude keeps rising from lower hundreds of feet on up to the 7000 foot level around Flagstaff. Pretty much of a northern climate up there. Not fair to judge the entire state by one area. .
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