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Post by motley on Jan 8, 2018 15:55:55 GMT -6
Thank you guys for the info I'm honestly not sure if I will use synthetic oil in my engine due to prices. With conventional oil I actually tend to change my oil to often, with synthetic this would become a little expensive to be changing the oil twice in one month "Living Pay check to Pay check".
Apparently; parts for scooters said the engine is bone stock.. I really wanted to know the specifications, even over the phone they were not able to tell me. The engine model is: jn1p39qmbThe only known info I can find on that model is here: en.jnen.cn/products_details3.aspx?id=110&type=15Here is a cheat sheet: Commercial Name JN1P39QMB 50CC Dimension(L×W×H)(mm): 580×410×320 Nominal displacement: 80ml Displacement: 81.5ml Bore: 50.0mm Stroke: 50.0mm Compression ratio: 10.4:1 Rated power: 3.2kw/7500r/min Maximum power: 3.6kw/8000r/min Maximum torque: 4.5N.m/6000r/min Maximin null-load speed: 1700±100r/min Maximin fuel comsumption: ≤367g/kW·h
If anyone knows what any of that is, or if there is a proper place to find info on my motor that would be great!! Thank you everyone for your helpful messages
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Post by motley on Dec 28, 2017 15:53:07 GMT -6
I still use 93 lol. non ethanol fuel would be killer and awesome, you might even see some better speeds oddly.
Well one day I ran 87 for the hell of it. Once I got home it was practically empty. Very odd. I had some good spunk off the engine with it lol in all seriousness. But something was off about using it in general. I also remember having a few backfires on start after running that crap.
I would only, only run anything bellow 93 if you are practically just about out of gas and the gas station is out of 93. But I would not put a full tank in it.
That Idle mixture screw shouldn't bother it to much, I typically find a nice setting for the winter. only down fall is anything around 60 degrees out and my rear wheel will spin which isn't really good on the clutch to keep like that.
Also by gosh be careful of the additive amount you put in the tank. If you have the time before putting fresh gas in it I would like to suggest buying a cheap 5 dollar fuel switch. It's nice to work on the gas lines with ease. If you buy one, you might need to grind the head of the nipple down a little. I had this issue. of course I had a grinder wheel to play with it. but if you do be careful you could destroy it. I bought a fuel switch in the past as my fuel petcock stopped working. Cheap bypass at the time, not I just use both
Also if you can pop the spark plug out that would be great. If it fires you shouldn't need to jump to buying a new one. but if you can clean it and inspect it that would help.
I wish I could be more help to you :/
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Post by motley on Dec 27, 2017 19:39:26 GMT -6
Bare in mind I am not a mechanic, I just happen to be driving these things for about a decade now.. So I know some things..
Try priming it while it's running, by default you should hear the idle pickup if you have a nice prime pulse going on. if it's practically an instant cut off there's to much gas going on.. But..
Sounds like your bike might be getting to much air. Or not enough. Is the air filter 100 percent on? any cracks in the plastic anything? missing parts? If any of this has happened you might have collected sand debris to much more inside of your engine, but of course this would take a serious long time to notice any issues.
As a simple check, check your gas lines for any cracks, it has been really cold lately. if you still have the stock gas lines I'm sure there are some cracks somewhere. If so if you are lucky they will be at the ends and you will have enough space to cut it right at the crack and get bye for now. If there are any cracks you would be taking in more air with a burrn sound typically when you hit the throttle. Or just near impossible starts...
My bike did this recently, cracked fuel filter, when I started it, it smoked so I knew there was something not burning right lol, of course that motor is dead now..
Keep an eye on that fuel filter as well, that thing could have a hidden crack somewhere.
Another thing is.. Have you messed with the idle mixture screw lately? That might need to be adjusted.
It was 22 degrees this morning, these scooters do not work to well in the cold..
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Post by motley on Dec 26, 2017 6:25:50 GMT -6
I went ahead and ordered the engine. I'm trying to find out what else I should consider on ordering.
Doesn't say anything about the varistor being there, would be nice if there is a stock ready to go one on it with fresh variator spacers/slides on it. I have a fairly brand ned stock clutch on mine so if that's not on this scooter that's no big deal. I see I need a carb, just replaced mine six months ago so that's a plus. My main worries is the variator.
Something about my gear puck, speedo cable, or actual speedomotor is off. 50 mph on the gauge is actually 30 mph >.<. I did not see my gauge on parts for sccoter, if this is a gauge issue it would be nice to replace it due to miles that are on it with putting a new engine on.
About synthetic oil, I put synthetic oil in mine a year ago, first time it ever had it, it liked it at first. but in 2010 I had a guy tell me "If you run synthetic in it, you will cause the bands to fly apart, to much worse". Dunno what he was talking about. But I think my problem with this scooter is related to that. So I think I want to stay away from synthetic.
Most engine re builders of all types of engines use Castro Gtx, I thing I will run 10w 30 in the engine once she's broken in.
My first scooter I drove 15 - 20 mph for 100 miles. 20 - 35 for 250 miles. 30 to 40 for 500 miles. And at that point I just started driving it like it was an average scooter. Over time I opened the throttle and hit 60 on a stock scooter, seller said it and I should not go that fast on a stock engine, not sure if it were related to the break in lol..
Would it be safe to mainly run it once she fires for about 7 minutes, turn it off, check the oil levels, re start it, let it run for 20 minutes, check the oil levels. let the engine cool down, and run it again for another 20 minutes or so before I even consider on turning the throttle?
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Post by motley on Dec 23, 2017 14:57:27 GMT -6
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Post by motley on Dec 23, 2017 14:53:33 GMT -6
That's something I am not trying to get into what so ever . I know some things with engines.. But I think it's time this engine gets marked as dead. It was manufactured in 2008, and now has 38,000 miles on it, these engines are only supposed to live for 10,000 miles, I received and extra two out of it. I think it would make a good engine to learn from. Maybe resell. I looked near the exhaust port and everything is covered in oil, the block, everything. But I really do appreciate your advice, the only thing I am worried about on a new break in is the after market exhaust. I don't want to glaze the chamber or whatever on a bran new block. I have ran all of my scooters hard over the years because of living on super long country road. 20 mile trips just to get out of the country. So the break in has to be proper. And the exhaust has to be questioned, I'm sure I will be losing compression as it's not stock, as well the new engine will be a 50 cc where as mine is not so the exhaust might become overkill. So there will be a huge issue possibly in general ?
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Post by motley on Dec 21, 2017 16:33:45 GMT -6
Well I have a 2008 Vip based model 50cc scooter. The scooter engine it self had a hard long life, Managed to get to 38,000 miles on the thing and two days ago when I started it, it almost sounded like warshers pinging around on the inside of the engine, I already knew right then I was going to be breaking down, made it to the grocery store by time I made it back out to the scooter it sounded like the iner parts of the engine just shattered on starting. Out of ego, I started it one more time, terrible idle, instant cut off and it almost sounded like a chain started smacking around on the inside when it shut off, I went to start it again xD and there was no air coming from the exhaust port, rpm gauge never moved.. The engine it self in al honesty had a very long life span for being a Chinese scooter. There are no mechanics near me what so ever, there is a vespa shop 50 miles from me and they stated "We do not work on Chinese". I have no way of getting it anywhere and for the sake of my pocket I think it would be cheaper just to order a complete engine? I should be getting my license soon. So even replacing the engine would help me make it a better bike for a re sell. maybe even a resell for the same amount I payed for the engine lol..Might be better off buying a new speedometer and gear puck while I am at it while the miles those two devices have on them. Can anyone help me lol? I found this on parts for scooters, not bad.. Really curious if there is something better, or more user friendly to install.. www.partsforscooters.com/Engine_longcase_4-stroke_qmb139?sc=34&category=133360 Maybe even bith a bigger bore or something? * I do not have a stock muffler.. Mines load, it could cause damage on a new break in? From a long time ago.. Any help is highly appreciated, don't want to get fired for having an unreliable ride
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Post by motley on Oct 9, 2017 5:46:34 GMT -6
Yea, with what crwford was saying about gas. You should try running the scooter without the gas line connected to the carb, let it run out of gas.
But before doing this, when it's up and running try to prime it, find a pulse rhythm while priming it. if it runs higher and better, this will be a good lead, if it cuts off very fast that's another good lead.
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Post by motley on Oct 8, 2017 17:46:28 GMT -6
czmdiver All restore really does is re adds compression to engines that have very bad or any scoring what so ever, causing loss in power to much more, I don't really see why not. I've considered on becoming a victim to it, Either it will work fantastic and I will re gain speeds. Or something else.. I wont be driving my current scooter somewhere in 4-5 months as I just got a car and I would prefer to just buy a new one as a play toy any who sometime.
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Post by motley on Oct 7, 2017 6:46:10 GMT -6
Are we allowed to run a can of restore in these little engines? So restore helps bring back compression on scored engines, etc etc. The stuff actually works! www.restoreusa.com/index.php
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Post by motley on Oct 2, 2017 8:10:02 GMT -6
Yeah I was told that 10 extra inches shouldn't hurt
Yeah, I was mentioned that regardless even ten inches shouldn't hurt me. the length of the rear wheel to the front is 6 foot that's only 8 inches longer than the bike. that gives me a lot of room to rout the cable.
I was also told a 50cc scooter that's 6 foot long with dual rear shocks is very unusual.. Said something like the 150cc scooters are like that.
I called a place near me that's a 15 to 24 minute trip only to them and they wanted to charge me 35 for just the cable...
Called a warehouse 30 miles out, these guys are actual dealers, As well believe it or not there Chinese and cant really speak English to well, they told me 30..
At that point I said okay... Well instead of paying 30 what can I find that I could basically get the same day...
That's when I found that kit for 15 dollars. + 9 dollars for shipping 'To get it the same day. Either the rest of it will turn into junk or it will be nice!!
Figured why not go all out in that department of parts, just bought a new carb anyway..
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Post by motley on Oct 2, 2017 5:23:50 GMT -6
Lol, sometimes I like to get under the handle bars on these scooters. I feel stupid, but the speed difference is crazy.
At-least long enough during takeoff to get to 35 - 40.
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by: motley - Oct 1, 2017 18:29:51 GMT -6
Post by motley on Oct 1, 2017 18:29:51 GMT -6
I sadly can not accept your extremely very kind offer, As it's not something I worked hard for.
While money is tough, I will eventually get around to it, Maybe even a 100cc kit.
Regards :'/
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by: motley - Oct 1, 2017 18:12:49 GMT -6
Post by motley on Oct 1, 2017 18:12:49 GMT -6
I am located in Virginia
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Post by motley on Oct 1, 2017 17:32:59 GMT -6
Slow down some. First go get some Simple Green or Gunk and De-Grease the entire engine before taking anything apart. Next go to the auto parts store and most will have tools to use for free and get a Compression tester to confirm your Motor is Clapped out. To my knowledge you still haven't performed a Valve Lash check or adjustment, correct? Really need to conquer simple tune up type work with success like your jetting and valve adjustments before your jumping into tearing the engine apart to install a BBK. If you do most likely you will end up with something that will Not run at all, many because of complete lack of experience miss the most basic of problems to overcome. Good luck. Thank you for the Info, Once I get the throttle cable replaced I will try to do all of this in a timely manor. I will attempt to take the plastic off the outside of the engine as well during cleaning. This should help tell me if the gaskets are blown half out 'Decade old Chinese gaskets'. If that's real obvious I will order a gasket kit and go to town on the scooter, then save the compression test for latter after that, I will also adjust the valves once if the gasket on the block is damaged. 'Just a thought is it possible to use something like lucas oil to temporarily seal the bad areas of the gaskets?' Is a compression tester cheap? will they typically have one I can borrow for usage in the parking lot? I will check around, Maybe see if theres a nice cheap one I can buy from china, lol.. [Still quoting]
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