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Post by yoster on Jan 20, 2011 11:44:35 GMT -6
Well I've replaced my diode with a relay, so the headlights are running from the battery the second the key is on, so they aren't really affected by a dying scooter. Also my RR is upgraded to the OMP version, and is basically bulletproof and puts out some nice juice to my battery now I may start using it more, but I do agree on the heat part, so I'd probably only use it on an as needed basis.
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Post by yoster on Jan 18, 2011 10:38:42 GMT -6
Yeah it's interesting; noticed that awhile back but never thought of doing what you did.
Regular low-beams seems to use 1 of the 2 filaments in the bulb, 'hi-beams' switches to the other filament, the one closer to the inside of the bulb, effectively making the lights shoot a little higher. Hitting the 'pass' button makes both filaments light-up at the same time. I think that's why these bulbs are labeled as '25/25' '35/35' or '45/45' - hi and low beams are the same wattage, but on a different filament in the bulb. Holding down that button I guess would then double the wattage the bulb is consuming? Any worries about it getting too hot and damaging the plastic headlight lenses?
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Post by yoster on Nov 9, 2010 11:59:51 GMT -6
pop - I think one thing that's making this harder than it needs to be is that you're pretty new to engines and how they operate. I.e.: A spark plug has nothing to do with how quickly an engine cranks. I would treat this as a good opportunity to learn some "engine mechanics 101." Though I can understand that you're probably looking forward to riding!
Note - it sounds like your battery is just weak. Did you give it a full charge? What kind of charger are you using? If it's a 1-1.5 amp charger it's going to need a good overnight charge (provided that the battery isn't junk).
Also - It's called "Top Dead Center, or TDC"
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Post by yoster on Nov 8, 2010 17:14:11 GMT -6
In hindsight I suppose I could have just picked up a used RR off a Goldwing GL1100 on eBay for 40 or so bucks, re-wire it, and be done with it. Oh well, live and learn!
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Post by yoster on Nov 8, 2010 12:27:39 GMT -6
Cool, well just keep an eye on it. The fact that it doesn't increase as you rev up either means that the RR is already at its capacity when you're idling or one of the internal circuits isn't functioning correctly allowing it to go to 14-15v. My original RR would do the same however in warmer months it would overheat (the RR) and the voltage would slowly go down as I rode it. I had to charge it about once every 4 trips to and from work.
Sounds like your stock RR may be a bit more robust than my original, and the three replacements I purchased afterwards until I finally went with the OMP lol.
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Post by yoster on Nov 8, 2010 10:42:17 GMT -6
Hey man,
Hang in there! I know your list sounds like a lot but honestly these are all things that can be knocked out in just a few hours.
1. Won't start now, has that weak sounding start. - Charge your Battery
2. Need a new enricher. - Check the connection first. One of the yellow wires from the stator will have a 4th yellow wire coming out of the connector they go to. Be sure that's connected well to the enricher. If it is, and the problem is the enricher, it's a 5 minute fix. Hopefully it's just a bad connection though. A bad connection there will cause the enricher to not function properly, resulting in the high-idle you're experiencing.
3. Need to adjust valves (tried to today and have no idea where the heck anything is) - this is VERY easy! (Do you have the cfmoto version of the engine?). Read the "poll" at the top of this thread and look at the video I posted. I promise you, this takes no time at all and is something you shouldn't stress out about. I too was intimidated by it at first, bu after actually doing it, it's now a no brainer.
4. Need to check spark plug (absolutely no clue to the where abouts of this) - Again assuming you have the cfmoto engine. If so, it's on the side opposite of the muffler. Ger under the scooter and look up towards the seat. You'll see the spark plug wire going to it; it's coming out the side of the engine at about a 45 degree angle. You can also kind of see it when you open the seat and open the little access hatches. It's on the side of the valve adjusters, just below them.
5. Need to fix my squeaking problem. - Lets worry about this one later
6. Need a new back tire. Won't hold a complete fill. Only holds about 65% of air. For the time being, you might want to throw some of that green slime in there. Don't do this until the scooter is up and running and you can ride it around a bit. This could also be (and probably is) your valve stems. Before slime, start by replacing those. I haven't done it but I understand it's quick and easy.
7. Need a new right side mirror. - lets worry about this once the scooter is running.
8. Need a new bulb for right tail light. - 1 minute fix; bulb can be found at wal-mart. #1157 - Do not replace until item below addressed.
9. Still having electrical problems. Yellow wires coming from regulator are getting very hot and are melting. Oh joy. - Your RR is faulty and not limiting the volts to 14.5. One of my many RR's I went through did the same exact thing. Resulted in several blown bulbs too (a few of which were LED's, arg!). Once your other items are addressed, a simple RR from Oregon Motorcycle Parts (you can PM Damin or I about this), will fix this issue; we'll do some testing first though. Again assuming this is the cfmoto engine.
10. Need to see what's with my breaks. They don't seem to be "all the way there." - Explain?
11. Need a new air filter. - Lets order one!
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Post by yoster on Nov 6, 2010 23:53:07 GMT -6
Ok got some videos up. Crummy quality; taken on my blackberry, but should serve the purpose!
Starting up:
Idle after scooter warmed up:
Radiator fan on:
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Post by yoster on Nov 6, 2010 21:50:07 GMT -6
Thanks! Running two 35w bulbs; upgraded from the stock 25w.
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Post by yoster on Nov 6, 2010 17:04:22 GMT -6
Happy dance!!!!!
Works beautifully.
I have 3 Chinese RR, each with their own issue, this one works perfectly.
Previous RR: Idle, no fan: 12.8-13.8v (depends on the day, literally) Rev 3k, no fan: 12.8-13.3v Rev 4k, no fan: 12.8-13.1v Fan drops voltage to 12.4 in all situations above
OMP RR (took videos and will try to post soon): FAN OFF: 1000rpm idle voltage: 14.5v 3k rpm voltage: 14.7v 4k rpm: not tested
FAN ON: 1000rpm idle: 12.6v (woohoo!!) 2k rpm: 13v (woohoo!!) 2800 rpm: 13.3v (woohoo!!) 4k: not tested, but voltage was still climbing.
Finally!! A RR that can handle the power consumption of the fan!! Had one before (another Chinese one) that would go to 16v, but would overheat after 5-10 minutes and shut off.
Joe - Check yours w/fan on. That's when they're under load. Under no/minimal load, many of the Chinese ones can go around 14.4-7v.
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Post by yoster on Nov 6, 2010 15:41:36 GMT -6
oregonmotorcycleparts.com/VRRPM.htmlIt's the one on the bottom of the page ? That's the one i bought. is the one you received smaller than the Duke's stock one. i could only use one bolt to mount it cause the spacing is different. Maybe my new one is just wired incorrectly? Yes, it is a bit smaller than the stock one. Sounds like yours didn't get wired correctly. I'll be trying mine today and let you know how it goes.
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Post by yoster on Nov 5, 2010 23:31:17 GMT -6
Recommended the same one Damin used off his thread, and also posted a direct link to that thread (the VRRPM3H)
Note - I just purchased on myself from them and received it today; was the right one and wired up correctly!
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Post by yoster on Nov 5, 2010 16:17:06 GMT -6
Either the wrong one, or that Lance is using some different wiring scheme as our "reflex clone" scoots, though I'm pretty sure the wiring diagram in regards to the RR connectors is one and the same across all cfmoto engines.
JRR/Cruiser - is that correct?
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Post by yoster on Nov 5, 2010 12:17:10 GMT -6
Glad you got it figured out! Second you posted those lower numbers at the stator (below 30v), i knew something was up there.
Sorry man, but you must have been sent the wrong RR! That RR I recommended has been used and tested here on the boards, ask around! It sounds to me like they either sent you the wrong one, or it was wired up incorrectly. I'd reach out to the company and bug them about it!! Again, we've already purchased it and tested it and have been through what you're experiencing many, many times.
Also, you will definitely want to get the correct one (or have it the guy at Oregon fix it). You got a charge, but you WILL have slow drain problems until you get the better RR up and running due to the radiator fan pulling more juice than the stock RR can output. That $100 definitely wasn't a waste! Contact that guy and stick it to him! lol
Damin - if you have any insight here please let us know.
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Post by yoster on Nov 2, 2010 15:22:57 GMT -6
Before you start jumping into it, let me stress again that it's very normal for the rear brake to be harder to pull/less braking power than the front brake.
As an example, a normal "squeeze" of my front brake will let the handle come back about half-way, the rear brake, 1/4", not much at all, before the handle gets hard to pull in any further.
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Post by yoster on Nov 1, 2010 20:23:44 GMT -6
That's pretty typical for a rear brake. Most of your breaking is going to be using the front break (I squeeze mine both together). The rear brake is there primarily as a support to the front brake.
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