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Post by looker on Mar 19, 2011 16:50:41 GMT -6
Enough that I could feel the hose 'pulse' where the kink was when I pulled the lever, rubber will also get softer as it warms up, 2 reasons I changed it for a braided hose
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Post by looker on Mar 19, 2011 15:53:15 GMT -6
Have you fixed it yet? Hope it's not too late, but this might help. Use a small length of rubber hose that is a tight fit over the bleed nipple and a long length of clear hose that the rubber hose will also fit over. Open the bleed nipple and suck on the clear hose, if the hose is long enough you won't get a mouthfull of brake fluid, and remember to keep an eye on the reservoir. If it works, you'll see all the air come out with the fluid, which it sounds like you still have some in there.
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Post by looker on Mar 19, 2011 2:32:28 GMT -6
A rubber hose may expand slightly due to braking pressure, or depending on the route it follows through the scoot could kink or partially collapse (which is what mine seems to have done). A braided hose will not expand so all the applied pressure will go to the piston in the caliper. Maybe stainless hose on cage engine cooling systems are purely cosmetic, but on a braking system they serve a purpose. The friction materials vary wildly, and I've read good things about EBC (and other named makes of materials) increasing brake feel and performance. Maybe people are only interested in making there scoot go, and not worried about stopping.
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Post by looker on Mar 18, 2011 6:20:53 GMT -6
Hi Guys and Gals, wondering if anyone has any thoughts on our braking components? Being on the other side of the pond I don't know what makes of components you will have on your side, but I've just bought and fitted EBC (organic type) pads and shoes, and a new disc/rotor as the old one was slightly warped. Also got a stainless steel braided hose for the front waiting to be fitted. Anyone changed/upgraded their braking system, what were the results? Mike
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Post by looker on Mar 15, 2011 3:06:55 GMT -6
Hmmmm , I would have thought that if the grille is less restrictive it would allow the fan to work a bit easier as it would'nt have to struggle as much to draw air in? Kinda along the same lines as fitting a free flow air filter no?
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Post by looker on Feb 3, 2011 5:30:01 GMT -6
Well the other belt has just arrived, the brand is 'Energees', not Qjiang. At least it measures 842mm. the 852 has me a bit worried, but saying that, I currently have the old 845 belt on the scoot and there's a good few mil of travel left up the Variator at W.O.T., so hopefully the extra 7mm belt length on the Gates won't be a problem Just as well I changed the 107mm variator for a 115mm eh This weekend I'm gonna put the Gates belt on and run that for a while, I'm interested to see if the edges fray again, then I'll change that out for the Energees, and check that for condition every so often. Potentially, this belt may reach 5000kms of use within a couple of months, if it gets that far ;D I may push it a little and see if it will do 6k, then maybe 7k! If it goes while I'm out, I carry all the tools to do a belt change including an impact driver, so in the name of 'Scooterdoc' I'll be acting as guinea pig for the next few months (weather dependent ) Mike
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Post by looker on Feb 2, 2011 16:34:46 GMT -6
too true, you do get what you pay for, but what are we paying for the things we get? I recently bought some new lights for my MTB, very cheap I might add, came from China through ebay and they work a treat. Shortly after I saw the exact same set in our local 'big name' super market at nearly 15 times the price. Now I realise that there will be no comparison between a Gates belt and a Qjiang belt, but as the majority of my riding will be in London and covering 80+ miles a day, servicing the scoot will be done as a military operation. Money is very tight at the moment and if I can get 2 belts for the price of one while changing them at 5000km's, that's good for me. I'll be putting the new Gates belt on first as I'm interested to see if the 852 length makes any difference, then when the Qjiang belt turns up I'll change the Gates for that and see how it last's (if it makes it to 5000km's, or maybe until it fails)
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Post by looker on Feb 1, 2011 6:17:37 GMT -6
Hey guys, I was in the automotive industry for many years from leaving school, trained as a mechanic and then worked in parts departments. I know Gates to be one of the best makers of drive belts, but are they worth the extra money? I have now got myself a PL20708 842-20-30 belt (all those markings are present on the belt) I also have an 842-20-30 belt by the Qjiang brand (quality chinese brand ) on it's way, half the price of the Gates. As belt changes are recommended to be done at 5000kms, and assuming the Qjiang belt lasts that long, is it worth the extra cost for the Gates belt, or will the gates belt do double or triple that? The last 2 Gates belts I had were marked as 842-20 (no PL20708 markings on those belts) but actually measured 825. I sent these back. The new one I now have measures at 852 I'm begining to wonder if Gates are suffering quality control problems in their Chinese factories and some of these belts are making there way out the back door. I'd love to hear about what belts you use/have used and how long they lasted, and if you measure the length before putting it on. Or if you're planning a belt change, can you measure it when you take it off and see if it's the length it should be. Maybe I've just been unlucky with belts recently Cheers guys, Mike
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Post by looker on Feb 1, 2011 5:27:45 GMT -6
You're right in saying you need a multimeter. The battery should be up in the high 12v, low 13v readings if it's healthy, even if it's sat for more than a week or so. Once the engine is running, revving the engine should give you a volt reading up around 14 or more. If the voltage readings are low after the scoot has sat for a day, the battery is dead. If voltage readings do not rise when engine is revved, you either have a problem with the stator or maybe the voltage regulator/rectifier.
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Post by looker on Jan 16, 2011 16:51:56 GMT -6
Hey guys, need some help from those with a lot more experiance with Gates drive belts. Couple of days ago got my scoot all back together with a 1500rpm contra spring installed. Did'nt like the way the engine was always pulling high revs so decided to put the standard one back in. Newly installed Gates belt was all chewed up along it's edge, thought it was my fault for putting a stronger spring in. Put an old belt in and went for a ride, old belt was not chewed up at all. So, I whipped that off and put another new Gates belt in, went for a ride, came home and guess what? edges of the new belt are fraying, here's a pick, top belt is the one that was used with the 1500rpm spring. You can just about see how the top of the belt is curled up a bit, fraying is from the cord closest to the top of the belt. Bottom belt is the second one that went in and the fraying is from closer to the teeth. Also thought the belt looked a little low in the clutch, like an 835 might sit. Took belt off and measured it along with the other Gates belt, f#@* me, the belts are 820mm even though they have 842 printed on them. You can see here how it's hardly getting up the variator, Thought I may be going loopy so I measured the circumference of 2 old belts, an 835 and an 845. Both dead on length wise. Here are close ups of the 835 (top) and the 842 (bottom), Now I don't know if Gates belts have differences in the logo printing and stuff, but these 2 have subtle differences, and how the hell can a Gates belt be so out on it's measurement I've contacted the place I bought these from and said I want a refund, wish me luck They were from ebay though, so should I need to I can claim they are 'not as described' I can't find any Gates PL20708 belts in the U.K., and now I'm loathed to purchase any from ebay if they are indeed knock-offs. Anybody else come across anything like this? I've found quite a few links to PL20708 and PL30708 belts, but they all seem to be shipped only within the States I'll keep looking, cheers, Mike
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Post by looker on Jan 13, 2011 14:20:14 GMT -6
Yeah, youth is wasted on the young ;D Tried the 14g rollers today, way better, much more pleasurable to drive, no more revving the nuts of the engine all the time and it's settled to around just under 5000-5500rpm for all but high cruising speed. I think it's just shy of it's best rpm working range though so I'm gonna try swapping out 3 of the 14g for 13g and give the 13.5g weight a go. Will hopefully allow it to rev a little higher as at the mo it's staying at about 6000 at wot untill the road speed picks up some. Also changed back from the 1500rpm contra spring to the standard one as I did'nt like the way it seemed to be pinching the belt. Maybe it's just because it's a new belt and it's wearing in? I dunno Cheers, Mike
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Post by looker on Jan 13, 2011 4:06:34 GMT -6
Earthman, air filter was removed from the trans cover a looong time ago, also did this to help 'enhance' air flow to the cover inlet, www.scooterdoc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=150cc&action=display&thread=2596As Alley says, I'm sure a cheapo pattern belt would fail before a good make of belt, but this happened in a very short amount of time/mileage to a Gates belt Alley, I can't see how a belt riding too low would make contact with the contra spring as the spring is not between the pulleys but between the outer face of the outside pulley and the inside face of the clutch pad assembly, at least it is on mine. Not forgetting I had an 845 belt on there for 2500 miles with no problems. In my case I'm convinced this happened due to overheating of the torque sleeve due to piss poor grease being used in the assembly that had little or no heat resistance properties and it broke down into a black gooey mess in a very short space of time. Now that the scoot will get a bit more use, weather permitting, I will keep a close eye on the entire CVT assembly, maybe stripping it down on weekends to check everything still looks kosher. Mike
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