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Post by oldscootcoot on Nov 3, 2013 16:35:11 GMT -6
My earlier experience with my daughters retro style scooter was the reason for the choice on the Ruckus clone. Hers was a real pain to remove the plastic for any sort of service. Most of the stuff on the Ruck clone is right out there or easily gotten to. I really like the look of the full panel scoots, but the Ruck look is kinda cool too.
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Post by oldscootcoot on Nov 3, 2013 16:25:24 GMT -6
Riding with a side car is vastly different. Takes a bit of getting used to. I rode a BMW with a side hack for quite a while. If you attempt to build one by all means research and read on design and set up. Even a well designed unit that is poorly installed/set up can make for a miserable ride. On the plus side they can really add a lot of utility and generally look pretty cool too!
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Post by oldscootcoot on Nov 3, 2013 9:09:49 GMT -6
Probably easier to see your pics first to see what might work. Ruckus seat frames are pretty easy to come by if you can mod one to work.
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Post by oldscootcoot on Nov 1, 2013 6:40:05 GMT -6
I believe the quality of Chinese products is in the up swing and US vendors have improved a good bit in the last few years, still its kind of a crap shoot so to speak. Our Ruckus type clones were sold under the description of the one my wife received while the one I received was similar but different and by a completely different manufacturer. Mine is on 12" wheels and a long case engine, hers is on 10"wheels and a short case among other things. Im happy with mine, she loves hers, so its a happy ending. I would buy from them again as it was a good experience. Truth is you don't know what you got til you got it though.
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Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 31, 2013 16:33:14 GMT -6
Great link!! Would love to do something like that.
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Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 31, 2013 16:26:25 GMT -6
Thanks for the positive comments guys!
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Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 30, 2013 21:10:45 GMT -6
Both our Ruckus type clones came from Scooter Depot. I had no issues with them other than they failed to email the second tracking #,which was easily handled with a phone call. Both came with in a week.
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Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 30, 2013 17:15:04 GMT -6
So the little red 150 is a leaner huh didn't catch that. They sorta tell you in the hype you had better be careful with it. The 300 has a lockable suspension so you don't fall over at traffic lights if you keep your feet on the boards. Hate to have that malfunction at speed!!
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Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 30, 2013 16:59:34 GMT -6
Thanks for the welcome guys! Been really enjoying the scoot thing. Been in the motorbike scene for the last several years and of course ride M/Cs too. Had never really been into a GY6 before so just jumped in. Really like em!
alansd--all I read about the Dr Pulley vari was good stuff. A very nicely made piece, just seemed like a great place to start with variator tuning. Its larger offering a higher possible ratio with better ramp profiles. They also include shims to space the initial position of the faces giving Im guessing lower initial ratios. I haven't used them as I have plenty of low end. I have seen a similar vari from OKO for considerably less $$. I like OKO products so am sure its a good unit too. Clutch and contra springs also add quite a bit to the performance, but if the scoot is ridden in a lot of stop and go traffic be conservative there as higher engagement/disengagement speeds can be irritating. The 1K springs seem about as rad as I want to go for practical riding.
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Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 30, 2013 11:31:24 GMT -6
Honestly I haven't tried it but have read about it being done. Im guessing it allows getting different overall weights using what you have. In theory three 16s and three 14s weigh 90gms divided by 6 average 15gms. Functions like 15gm rollers? Cant say. Somebody with mixing experience chime in please.
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Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 30, 2013 7:09:33 GMT -6
Its a little cheaper @ Scooter Depot. I thought about getting one for my wife but just bought her a Ruckus clone scooter instead. A lot of how well one of these would handle would be in how well the front end is designed, and you wouldn't know that until you rode it. At the velocities a 150 is capable of could be a hand full! especially if the geometries were borrowed from an ATV which could be likely! If anyone has one or similar chime in.
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by: oldscootcoot - Oct 30, 2013 6:57:37 GMT -6
Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 30, 2013 6:57:37 GMT -6
My 150/182cc Trike is setup with 12gram Sliders and it runs just about 10mph for every 1.2-1.3K rpms. At 50 my rpms are 5100--5200 at 60 my rpms are 6100---62000. Alleyoop Just about the same as my set up though arrived at by slightly different means. My scoot originally had 12gm rollers. When I went to the Dr Pulley variator I moved to 14gm sliders which were an improvement over the 12s. Currently running the 16s and have a set of 18s. Will probably experiment with mixing 14/16s. The traffic I normally cruise in averages 50/55. Its nice to be able to cruise at those speeds in the mid 5K range. I may benefit from spinning the engine a bit more as it probably never gets the full benefit from the A10 cam, but why? I have an honest 65mph top now. Also the lighter rollers in most 49s limit the speed to the 35mph range for legality. My advice is once the engine has been "cleaned up" for improved running start with heavy rollers and work down if necessary. They are cheap enough to experiment with.
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by: oldscootcoot - Oct 29, 2013 19:49:11 GMT -6
Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 29, 2013 19:49:11 GMT -6
Your thinking is backwards. The heavier the weights the slower the take off and lower rpms. You want to tune it so your in the powerband. You should get a tach. Example, If im running 5 gr weights (which i do) and you run say 7-8-9 or 10, and we drag race a city block your're in the dust. It will take you a lot o distance to catch up and eventually pass me because you have the ability to obtain higher speed with heavier weights. Its not practical to run that setup. Most run 5-6 gram sliders. 10 is in the range of 150's! Actually it all depends on t a lot of variables. The faster you can get into high ranges the faster it will accelerate assuming you have the power to pull the higher ratios. My 49/80cc sounds as if the clutch is slipping because it takes so long for the lighter rollers to begin to enter the higher ranges. Eventually it gets there and we are finally going. I could see with a stock 49cc the lighter rollers being fitted for real world situations such as loading and hill climbing. As I have said I live in the coastal flats, I don't need the lower ratios supplied stock. Both my scoots have the needed power to enter the higher ranges as soon as the clutch is engaged. I run a 1K clutch and contra springs. This allows the engine to band up a bit. As soon as it bites the heavier rollers head into the higher ratios accelerating very respectably, because I have the power to pull them. If it didn't it would be a slug indeed. That's the beauty of a CVT it wont ratio up if the power is not there, at least immediately. I am running 16gm sliders in my 150/163cc and it has surprised a few M/Cs away from traffic lights because its so immediate.
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Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 29, 2013 15:36:59 GMT -6
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by: oldscootcoot - Oct 29, 2013 6:48:34 GMT -6
Post by oldscootcoot on Oct 29, 2013 6:48:34 GMT -6
Thanks for the reply. I haven't checked my 49cc but it sounds like its in a similar range as yours. Living in the flats I tune my variators with heavier weights to get into the high range fairly quickly. I have ordered some 10gm rollers for it, currently has 5.2gm. Hopefully will improve the acceleration a bit.
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