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Post by mapbike on Aug 22, 2010 14:21:36 GMT -6
I have read several different opinions on best oil brands & Weights for the GY6 engines and just thought i would get some more input and explanations from the pros on the subject here.
Shan
( I'm running Valvoline Max Life 10W-40 Semi Synthetic with a small amount ( About 2Tbsp ) of Greased Lightning anti friction Teflon oil additive)
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Post by mapbike on Aug 22, 2010 14:06:40 GMT -6
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Post by mapbike on Aug 22, 2010 13:50:53 GMT -6
I noticed that in one area of the reference it states that the correct engine oil is 5W-30 and in another place it says 10W-30, everything else I have seen or heard on this subject has point to a quality NON Full Synthetic 10W-40 or 15W-40, I've been running Valvoline MAX Life 10W-40 Semi-Synthetic, I'm just a little cutios as to why the Full Synthetics are not Recommended for these engines, is it that the oil pumps in these engine is not strong enough to move the much stickier Synthetic oils? this is the only thing Ican come up with that might pose an issue for these engines if the pumps in them just dont produce enough pressure to move the synthetic oils like it will the much more fluid conventional oils, I run a mixter of standard Castrol HD30w & 5w-20 Royal Purple Full Synthetic in my High output GX200 Honda Clone, the reason being that I cooked a couple of Connecting Rods trying to run full Synthetic in it because the stickier oil would not flow between the Rod & Crankshaft under the force of the rod dipper scooping up the oil, the synthetics are much better lubricants than conventional oils but they seem to require a good pressurized oiling system or they will starve the components of lubrication and we all know what comes next.........screach............!!!!!!!!!
Anyway if some of you gentlemen know more about all this than I, please ring in here and explain the reason for the NON synthetic Recommendation on these GY6 engines.
I'm gonna start a new thread asking "what oil do you run in your scooter and why?"
Thanks & God Bless all Shan
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Post by mapbike on Aug 21, 2010 23:36:41 GMT -6
I just wanted to let everyone know that I got that troubled 50cc scooter of my brothers fixed, I had checked all the electrical system and the fuel delivery and it was all checking out good so today I did a compression test and it was just as I had thought when I first cranked the engine over by hand on the kick starter.....very low..... were talking 32-34psi, so I pulled the valve cover and turned the engine to the TDC position and by hand checked for clearance between rocker and valve, the intake had about .004 and the exhaust had .000 it was actually a minus clearance the valve was being held open, so I backed it off and gave it a .004 clearance and checked compression again and shazam.....! I got 135psi on the gauge that time and that was just using the kick starter, put it all back together and the little fellar fired right up and purred like a kitten, I thought it had about 200-300 miles on it but I was mistaken, it has 2,153 miles on it and has never had a wrench on it of any kind so I would say its been a good one thus for, it's one of those Velocity 21th like www.scooterdepot.us sells for about $500-$600 bucks, all I was out was a $42 compression gauge with the 10mm adapter which I picked up at our local Advance Auto Parts store. now I have 3 Compression Gauges.....LOL all I needed was the 10mm adapter but had to buy the whole thing, Oh well got-ur done any how......, just wanted to let you know what it finally took. Here is model scooter I been working on (Not Brothers Scooter) www.scooterdepot.us/21th-150cc-Gas-Motor-Scooter-Fully-Assembed-with-Trunk-p-443.htmlShan
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Post by mapbike on Aug 21, 2010 23:15:42 GMT -6
Scooter depot has the 150cc scoots for $807.00 - $907.00 shipped right to his door, with great warranty and life time customer service, many of the ones they have listed that start with the MC_***** example MC_K75 are Roketa scooters, all the common GY6 parts work, thats what I have and they are very standard with the most popular parts.
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Post by mapbike on Aug 21, 2010 22:57:58 GMT -6
I bought my Roketa 150cc scooter from scooterdepot, in Chino California, great customer service and they come with 1 year warranty on engine, 1 year warranty on frame and 6 months parts warranty, I would highly recommend them to anyone so here is a link to a scooter just like mine with the only difference being mine has a single head light and this one is a dual. www.scooterdepot.us/150cc-Newest-Eagel-Style-Motor-Scooter-For-Sale-p-696.htmlCheck out the other 150cc scoots also there are many of them in the price range and many about half. Shan
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Post by mapbike on Aug 20, 2010 23:13:30 GMT -6
V-Twin clean, simple and a classic
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Post by mapbike on Aug 18, 2010 20:58:35 GMT -6
Very nice work......!
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Post by mapbike on Aug 18, 2010 19:31:12 GMT -6
Thats Great maybe there is soem info. there that will help someone in the rejetting proccess.
Anytime I remember something or find something that I think may be helpful I'm gonna post it and hope that someone will benefit from it.
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Post by mapbike on Aug 17, 2010 13:34:26 GMT -6
Many thanks Mapbike, that's a great site in general! There's lots of parts that are applicable for scooters at decent prices. I noticed on one page where he uses a radiator hose between the carb and engine; I guess that answers that age old question. I'll find a place to put this URL on our site so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle. Thanks again, Rich Your welcome sir, I thought there might be a few things on the site that might interest some people here on the forum, lots of good how to information on several topics, and like you said there are some great parts and pieces at good prices here as well. Shan
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Post by mapbike on Aug 17, 2010 11:50:40 GMT -6
I know what you mean.....LOL
I pass dead animals on the road to and from town all the time, Skunks, Armadillos, Deer, Racoons, Rabbits, Snakes with the occasional Cat or Dog, in the 120+ degree in the sun Texas Heat they get ripe real quick, and I have to dodge them many times on my way to work early in the mornings at 5:10 - 5:30AM, I sure am in no hurry to hit one of them raskels dead or alive.... that may end up putting me on the road right beside them, not fun at all...!
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Post by mapbike on Aug 17, 2010 11:33:48 GMT -6
This link below is to a fellas site that I have bought a lot of parts from in building the small performance engines I was messing with a couple of years ago, he has loads of great (How To) information here and since I had used this chart when tuning the GX200 carbs I thought it may also come in handy for anyone tuning their GY6 carb. as well. A propane torch, a little piece of solid solder, and a set of numbered bits and you can have any jet size you need in just a few minutes, not really any need to buy multiple new jets, I always just mod the one I have using this process. After going over this site you may even want to get some stuff together and build that mini bike or go kart you always wanted to play with......! this guy is super to work with.... and much of the Mod-ing info. on this site will apply to modifying these scooter engines also. Hope this helps someone that needs to jet up but doesn't want to have to buy several different jets trying to get it right. AFFORDABLE GOKARTS JET DRILLING PAGE
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Post by mapbike on Aug 17, 2010 11:00:43 GMT -6
Thanks for the input everyone, My question on this was answered.
So I will just focus on getting more air and fuel through the original carb after I modify my exhaust, all the porting and port matching is very farmiliar to me, done it to many small engines like the GX200 Hondas and old Briggs 5HP engines, I have a GX200 that I built a couple of years ago I believe is putting out around 12HP, done a bunch of mods to it, including custom Billet Rod, long slot rockers, chromemolly push rods, High Compression Head, piston, rejetted and tuned carb., custom exhaust, filed flywheel key to give 6 degrees timing advance, Noram racing clutch, and other small tweaks here and there, so I do have some experience in the Modification of small engines, but these GY6 motors are completely new to me and I would much rather learn from you guys who have "been there done that" rather than me just trying a bunch of stuff and having to redo things that you fellows can give me great direction on before I ever turn a wrench on the thing.
I'm not on a quest for more speed above the 60-65mph flat out range, I just want to be able to loose a little less speed on the slight upgrades I travel to and from work, and have it also pull against a head wind a little better, I'm sure this is the quest of most of the people on here that are doing any upgrades to these scooters, I'm not ready to dive into the head, jug, and internal changes yet, I want to get all I can out of what I have to work with in those areas to see if I even really have a need to go any farther with my engine, it seems to me that instead of dumping loads of time and cash into the 150cc one could just upgrade to the 250cc scooter and fill all those gaps and have a little fancier machine at the same time, but I am one that would love to have a 150cc scooter at some point that would almost do what the 250cc will do just for the fun and adventure of getting it to that point.
Well, dang-it I got long winded again, just cant shut up sometime....Thanks you all very much! Shan
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Post by mapbike on Aug 16, 2010 19:59:49 GMT -6
The reason I dont is because I have been thinking about maybe selling some of the scooters on the side to help not only myself make a small profit but also to help the people around here with a local source for cheap economical transportation but I'm not sure about it yet so I just tell them what the listed list price was on my scooter, which we all know is only there to make people think they are getting a super deal, I actually paid $499.00 + Shipping of $239.00 for my Roketa MC-74-150K but they showed a list price of $1995.95 so I just always say that my scooter had a list price of $1995.95, and almost always they will say WOW that is a good price for something like that......so it seems to me that there may be a little money to be made here and even with a mark up of about $200-$250 above cost they would still be getting a heck of a deal and I would get a little something for my trouble as well, so this is for sure something I am considering.
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